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    Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Posting this to a thread as I find it interesting. Fraternity and Sorority Numbers are shrinking for various reasons. Any info to add to the list below.

    A recent letter from one fraternity suggested the following reasons:

    1. Dorms - are now more competitive. They are remodeled and/or new emulating apartment style. They can choose rooms by majors in same dorm or have an actual Honors dorms. Tough top break initial contracts.

    2. Fraternities - years since a formal rush week held at ISU. Tough to pledge new people in earthly summer.

    3. Apartments - readily available around Ames as lucrative to rent for owners. Several trailer parks.

    4. Image - tends to be Animal House (party animal or nothing comes to mind).

    5. incoming Students -focused on here and now experiences and not about investing in the future. Tough to get their attention as high school seniors.

    6. Student List - incoming list is not available until April. Many do not want to be contacted and list is difficult to access and to use.



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryceman View Post
    Posting this to a thread as I find it interesting. Fraternity and Sorority Numbers are shrinking for various reasons. Any info to add to the list below.

    A recent letter from one fraternity suggested the following reasons:

    1. Dorms - are now more competitive. They are remodeled and/or new emulating apartment style. They can choose rooms by majors in same dorm or have an actual Honors dorms. Tough top break initial contracts.

    2. Fraternities - years since a formal rush week held at ISU. Tough to pledge new people in earthly summer.

    3. Apartments - readily available around Ames as lucrative to rent for owners. Several trailer parks.

    4. Image - tends to be Animal House (party animal or nothing comes to mind).

    5. incoming Students -focused on here and now experiences and not about investing in the future. Tough to get their attention as high school seniors.

    6. Student List - incoming list is not available until April. Many do not want to be contacted and list is difficult to access and to use.
    2. It is very easy to get new members in the summer, since most fraternities at ISU focus almost all recruiting efforts during this time.

    4. Not many houses have this image at ISU, some drift close to it though.

    6. The student list came out late this year, but it is entirely web based and easy to use, which is nice.

    Just commenting on the parts I had a slight argument with, that is mostly dead on.





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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    In the future, I don't see many students going into colleges as 18 yr old freshmen. I expect by the time my kids are ready, they will go to comm/jr college for 2 years to get all the silly classes out of the way and then transfer to Iowa/ISU for their final 2-3 years. Frats don't really work as well in that scenario. I will encourage them to live off campus once they get to Ames.


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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    As a graduated fraternity man and recruitment chair I have my own opinions on this issue. The biggest reason I see is the waterfall effect of the apartment market in Ames. In the past 5 years or so apartment complexes in Ames have exploded in numbers and thus driven prices down. This makes it much cheaper to live off campus with a couple buddies where you dont have the rules that the dorms and fraternities have. When ISU saw that its dorm numbers were drastically decreasing they started to build new dorms. When this didnt work they attacked to only thing they could attack and that was the fraternities. It used to be that fraternities could break dorm contracts at anytime of the year at a maximum of 50% of the dorm cost. Now (or 2 years ago when I was the rush chair) fraternities get one dorm contract break at 8%, one at 20%, and the rest at 80%. This makes it near impossible to make money by signing kids and moving them into your house during the year. And making money is the issue, remember that fraternities are like apartments too in the fact that we need tenants and $$ to run. These are the main reasons that numbers are down accross the board, I personally dont believe that the Animal House theory holds any water because that has been an issue for almost 25-30 years now and many fraternities work to combat that sterotype.



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    I didnt really see Ames as a fratty type environment. They had their parties but its nothing like other universities. For this I am actually thankful. the problem lies with what happens to these houses if they were to have to close their doors?



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    The way with dorm breaks now is that other fraternities can take dibbs on left over breaks from other houses if they are unused.

    The university is also very actively pushing learning communities. I have talked to very many kids so far this year telling me they have decided to live in one.





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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    I didnt really see Ames as a fratty type environment. They had their parties but its nothing like other universities. For this I am actually thankful. the problem lies with what happens to these houses if they were to have to close their doors?

    Iowa State was, 2 years ago and the numbers couldn't have changed much, a top 5 school in the nation when it came to number of Greeks on campus.

    Also, almost 15% of all students were greek at that time. While the numbers have decreased, it is not by that much and we are a "fratty type environment" if you look at the numbers.



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUpike33 View Post
    Iowa State was, 2 years ago and the numbers couldn't have changed much, a top 5 school in the nation when it came to number of Greeks on campus.

    Also, almost 15% of all students were greek at that time. While the numbers have decreased, it is not by that much and we are a "fratty type environment" if you look at the numbers.
    Sorry, let me clarify. What i meant by fratty is the stereotypical frat party school.



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    7. Many frat guys are pompous buttheads.

    You forgot that one too.


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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone62 View Post
    7. Many frat guys are pompous buttheads.

    You forgot that one too.
    I couldn't agree more, but you forget that many guys period are pompous buttheads.



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUpike33 View Post
    I couldn't agree more, but you forget that many guys period are pompous buttheads.
    I thought it was just baseball players...



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    The real a-holes are frat baseball players!



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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    I think you'll end up seeing more and more "honorary" fraternities and "club-type" fraternities (i.e. Masonic Lodge). Let's face it, people nowadays are lazy and it's far easier to be remotely connected to an organization than it is to be a part of something physically.

    I'll put it this way, I'm a Mason but I would be if it meant I had to sleep in their "compound" or "dorm" to be a member.


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    My house fell under the party house. We did too much of it, went dry twice while I was in college. Then got in trouble one too many times and everyone got kick out two years after I left and the house got re-organized. Man I met a lot of great friends that I still talk to daily and will never regret joining a house. Plus I met a ton of girls.


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    Re: Future of Fraternities and Sororities? - O.T.

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUpike33 View Post
    I couldn't agree more, but you forget that many guys period are pompous buttheads.
    True, but frat guys are easier to point out with their pink shirts and popped collars.

    Oh, and I almost forgot. They're pretty easy to see when they come up to you and accuse you of breaking a window in their house because you're lying when you say you weren't at their house party that night, and that you were just going to the QT to get a pack a smokes and not drinking because you were acting like a drunken idiot before they kicked you out. Then they'll call the cops, give you a breathalyzer, and when you blow trip zeros, they guy gets all b****y and hits you in front of the cop. Actually, that last action of his was pretty funny.


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