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    Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Title IX regulations specify among other things how many female athletes a college needs to have, which sports to offer, and the level of competition each is expected to have. The regulations also state that the budgets of men's and women's sports do not have to be equal but should be comparable.

    If conference re-alignment is “nothing personal” and “just business” then is it time to do away with Title IX? What are your thoughts Cyclone Fans?



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Title IX goes much deeper than that, having to do with opportunities that are proportional and meet the needs of who they serve. Wish it was simple, but it isn't.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    Title IX goes much deeper than that, having to do with opportunities that are proportional and meet the needs of who they serve. Wish it was simple, but it isn't.
    CrossCyed -- you are exactly right. Just trying to get at maybe deeper questions. What is the purpose of college athletics? How does conference realignment fit into Title IX? Does Title IX still have it's place? Should college athletics be looked at just as a "business"? Questions I wish more people were asking.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Title IX is good because it offers more opportunities, but I think it oversteps its bounds. The thing I don't like most about Title IX is spending isn't 50/50 between men and womens sports buy proportional to the ratio of the student body(UNI is 60% female so 60% of the athletic budget goes to womens sports.)

    I think it would be funny for some school to argue Football isn't gender specific to try to fit an extra few million dollars into mens athletics.


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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    It's a good idea (I have two girls) but it's applied a little too broadly to college athletics. It would create more equitable opportunity if it was measured against budget or scholarships (or some combination) rather than number of sports. Also, the measurement should be compared against the ratio of student population or better yet, the ratio of student population participating in intramural athletics.

    Also I think football should be left out of any equity comparison. As the main (and often only) revenue generating sport, it's the engine that drives the bus. If an athletic department like ISU decided to drop football, it would eventually have to drop all sport, both male and female. That hardly furthers gender equity.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    UNI and ISU Baseball are 2 good examples of why Title XI is bad. If our college leaders would be responsible in their budgeting and sports offered we would not need a rule that hamstrings our college administrators and more progress could be made with colleget athletics.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    I would guess that if they ever treated college athletics like the business that it is, then it would go away. Until that occurs, it will be very difficult. I am sure it is the reason that there is no ISU baseball.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Title IX despite being a revenue drain for college athletics is deemed fair and just but the possible violation of antitrust laws and conferences making billions but paying no taxes is deemed just? Not questioning the honor and spirit of Title IX but why does no one talk about it? What is college athletics all about?



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Right now, the question of whether Title IX helps or hurts us doesn't matter as much. What really hurts us is the amount of programs we have. Currently we have 16 sports: 6 male (football, basketball, golf, wrestling, cross country, and track & field) and 10 female (basketball, golf, volleyball, cross country, track & field, soccer, gymnastics, swimming & diving, tennis, and softball). The NCAA requires that to be included in the Bowl Subdivision of Division I athletics (formerly known as I-A), an institution has to have 16 varsity sports including football; minimum of six male/mixed, minimum eight all female (emerging sport max: two).

    That means Title IX or not, we cannot drop anymore sports, period or we have to stop playing I-A football. We are at the minimum number of male programs, and the minimum number of total programs required for participation.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    I think Title IX would be an excellent conference.


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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Title IX does not mention athletics at all, JSYK.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFever View Post
    It would create more equitable opportunity if it was measured against budget or scholarships (or some combination) rather than number of sports. Also, the measurement should be compared against the ratio of student population or better yet, the ratio of student population participating in intramural athletics.
    It is measured against scholarships. Since football has so many scholarships, most schools end up with more women's sports.

    I think most schools do use undergrad gender ratio vs. gender ratio of scholarships available to prove Title IX. If a school wanted to use other methods they are welcome as long as they are willing to defend a possible lawsuit on it.

    I posted something a little more thorough on the board a while back. I'll see if I can find it.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    I know this would open a whole bag of problems, but what if there was a clause in Title IX that states if the program is not self sufficient there has to be equal scholarships? So if the Football program makes money the scolarships don't count. If Women's basketball is earning money the scholarships don't count. Basically, you pay as you go for the sucessful programs and the others are at the mercy of Title IX. Are any of ISU programs making money outside of football?



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    Men's hoops makes a little money.



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    Re: Title IX -- What are Your Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydlined View Post
    I know this would open a whole bag of problems, but what if there was a clause in Title IX that states if the program is not self sufficient there has to be equal scholarships? So if the Football program makes money the scolarships don't count. If Women's basketball is earning money the scholarships don't count. Basically, you pay as you go for the sucessful programs and the others are at the mercy of Title IX. Are any of ISU programs making money outside of football?
    Wouldn't work for two reasons, not even counting the legality of it:

    1. Program revenue can easily be manipulated with accounting tricks.

    2. What about programs right on the edge? A football program could be right on the line between profitable and not. A slip into unprofitability and suddenly football has to be dropped or a whole lot of women's scholarships need to be added just because of a few bucks one way or another.



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