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    The Leftovers must unite

    The five remaining schools are likely to have millions coming their way in payments from the traitors. Assuming the a****id stays with the big 12 as the following article hints, and it would take 9 votes to dissolve, we have the power to make a decent home for ourselves.

    As it looks like we'd have the a****id we will be bringing teams in to our now Big 4/5+??? As long as we have 4 we're good on the bid most likely.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6...emaining-te ams

    We need to focus on TV markets and name teams.
    We start off with
    BU- 41,000 alums in DFW, 25,000 in both Houston and Centex
    KU- Delivers KC
    KSU- Helps get more play in KC
    ISU- Gets play in Iowa
    Mizzou- Gets play in St. Louis if they are still around. Also KC

    Our best targets are MWC schools who we lure with an a****id and million dollar payments. Also TV with BYU, Utah, and TCU is better with the B12 than CSU, SDSU, UNLV. Also some Big East schools like Louisville will probably be left out if B10, ACC, and SEC follow up.

    Targets:
    #1 BYU
    Better than any of the 5 in attendance, directors cup, and travels VERY well. Lots of mormons in DFW and KC. Football and BBall are great pickups and awesome facilities. Also they'd jump instantly as Pac10 hates them like they hate us. 65k sellouts in football, 20k basketball. C'mon over mormons!

    #2 TCU
    Name team, give recruiting to the north as those teams could alternate coming to play them one year and us the next.
    They have 25,000 alums in DFW and 7,000 students. Adding with us gives about 70k interested alums in DFW and helps with TV here. Add centex to that and you've got roughly 100k interested parties. Baseball is strong and they would be good in a number of sports.

    #3 Utah- After TCU as travel expenses limit their appeal after BYU and they may go Pac10 if A&M bolts to SEC. Less appealing than BYU in attendance and all sports but still an outstanding pickup. If we get both it helps our appeal for TV as the Holy War would be marketable.

    This puts us at 8. I think we stop at 8-9 as it allows for cutting the pie in fewer slices. The 8/9th spot/s if mizzou or ku is around would likely go to whoever provides value out of:

    Louisville- Good basketball, new market that would care, recent BCS team in Football. Football expanded stadium to 60k and brings a market that they have at least 50% local pull against UK. Big East will likely lose 2 from the Big Ten's moves alone. Once the SEC raids the ACC they'd get hit again. Their long term security and potential to play KU in bball would bring em over. If Missouri or KU is gone we likely jump on them quick.

    SMU- Don't laugh! If we & TCU can't deliver DFW, another 40,000 interested alumni might do the trick. SMU pre-death penalty drew better crowds than the Houston schools and would limit our travel and help deliver the market of DFW. Football may have turned a corner and they have an ok bball arena. Depends on DFW tv.

    U of Houston- Large enrollment and good football. Located in a market where only we have a small presence (25k) but they really don't lock up that market even paired with Rice. They don't graduate players or have very good facilities. Fallback option.

    Memphis- This is a bball move all the way. They are UH with a new market likely to care more about them. Better facilities though. Fallback option.

    Cincinatti- Recent BCS football and good basketball. Likely to be left out of ACC raid. Afterthought after Buckeyes but would add a market and a team with recent success. Distance is a drawback.

    Rice- Great academics, baseball, and history with us. But having fewer total alums than we have in DFW alone probably nixes them. They only have 11,000 in Houston and likely wouldn't help with tv negotiations. I like them but they probably stay where they are.

    UTEP- Good attendance but not really a ratings draw. Ok last resort.

    New Mexico- Better draw than UTEP due to market. Football recently tanked but great pull as a basketball school. May help get Utah schools.

    CSU, Air Force, Wyoming- Some good programs but distance and markets are limiting. Likely left behind.

    Who would you all try for?



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    It takes 9 votes to change rules but only a simple majority to dissolve the conference and keep their money.




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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    Sammy11- you mean well. But the Big 12 is dead. They aren't adding teams. Bebee said so himself. If the south schools leave, he more than said on his conference call that his job would be to help align the remaining schools. Put 2 and 2 together, come Tuesday when Texas and OU bail the Big 12 is done.



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    We need the remaining Big XII schools to file an antitrust lawsuit against what will be the four superconferences. In addition, the Congressional officials from all states involved with the remaining Big XII schools need to introduce legislation to have the tax-exempt status of conferences eliminated and work tirelessly to ensure the passage of that legislation.



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    We need the remaining Big XII schools to file an antitrust lawsuit against what will be the four superconferences. In addition, the Congressional officials from all states involved with the remaining Big XII schools need to introduce legislation to have the tax-exempt status of conferences eliminated and work tirelessly to ensure the passage of that legislation.
    Um, population, and therefore representation, is not in our favor.



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    Quote Originally Posted by isuaggie View Post
    It takes 9 votes to change rules but only a simple majority to dissolve the conference and keep their money.
    True, but since those schools have left the conference would they even have a vote?



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    I am still not sure that Oklahoma is going anywhere.



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    I agree that the left overs need to unite. It is just hard to decipher who that will be at this point. I think the BIG XII schools need to combine with the remaining Big East football schools to form an eastern division.

    Then that group needs to combine with the mountain west schools that will form a western division. Take this group to a total of 16 and that will ensure BCS status. It may be a wide footprint, but at this point we don't have a lot of options.

    It may not be ideal from a travel perspective, but at this point the remaining schools need to get together to ensure inclusion in the BCS. This collection of schools will cover a wide area, but if it keeps schools in the BCS mix it will be worth it.



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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Um, population, and therefore representation, is not in our favor.
    No, actually it is. Grassley said as much in his interview earlier this week. Combine the schools all over that nation getting shut out of the 4 conf setup and you have the numbers.


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    Re: The Leftovers must unite

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy11 View Post
    The five remaining schools are likely to have millions coming their way in payments from the traitors. Assuming the a****id stays with the big 12 as the following article hints, and it would take 9 votes to dissolve, we have the power to make a decent home for ourselves.

    As it looks like we'd have the a****id we will be bringing teams in to our now Big 4/5+??? As long as we have 4 we're good on the bid most likely.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6...emaining-te ams

    We need to focus on TV markets and name teams.
    We start off with
    BU- 41,000 alums in DFW, 25,000 in both Houston and Centex
    KU- Delivers KC
    KSU- Helps get more play in KC
    ISU- Gets play in Iowa
    Mizzou- Gets play in St. Louis if they are still around. Also KC

    Our best targets are MWC schools who we lure with an a****id and million dollar payments. Also TV with BYU, Utah, and TCU is better with the B12 than CSU, SDSU, UNLV. Also some Big East schools like Louisville will probably be left out if B10, ACC, and SEC follow up.

    Targets:
    #1 BYU
    Better than any of the 5 in attendance, directors cup, and travels VERY well. Lots of mormons in DFW and KC. Football and BBall are great pickups and awesome facilities. Also they'd jump instantly as Pac10 hates them like they hate us. 65k sellouts in football, 20k basketball. C'mon over mormons!

    #2 TCU
    Name team, give recruiting to the north as those teams could alternate coming to play them one year and us the next.
    They have 25,000 alums in DFW and 7,000 students. Adding with us gives about 70k interested alums in DFW and helps with TV here. Add centex to that and you've got roughly 100k interested parties. Baseball is strong and they would be good in a number of sports.

    #3 Utah- After TCU as travel expenses limit their appeal after BYU and they may go Pac10 if A&M bolts to SEC. Less appealing than BYU in attendance and all sports but still an outstanding pickup. If we get both it helps our appeal for TV as the Holy War would be marketable.

    This puts us at 8. I think we stop at 8-9 as it allows for cutting the pie in fewer slices. The 8/9th spot/s if mizzou or ku is around would likely go to whoever provides value out of:

    Louisville- Good basketball, new market that would care, recent BCS team in Football. Football expanded stadium to 60k and brings a market that they have at least 50% local pull against UK. Big East will likely lose 2 from the Big Ten's moves alone. Once the SEC raids the ACC they'd get hit again. Their long term security and potential to play KU in bball would bring em over. If Missouri or KU is gone we likely jump on them quick.

    SMU- Don't laugh! If we & TCU can't deliver DFW, another 40,000 interested alumni might do the trick. SMU pre-death penalty drew better crowds than the Houston schools and would limit our travel and help deliver the market of DFW. Football may have turned a corner and they have an ok bball arena. Depends on DFW tv.

    U of Houston- Large enrollment and good football. Located in a market where only we have a small presence (25k) but they really don't lock up that market even paired with Rice. They don't graduate players or have very good facilities. Fallback option.

    Memphis- This is a bball move all the way. They are UH with a new market likely to care more about them. Better facilities though. Fallback option.

    Cincinatti- Recent BCS football and good basketball. Likely to be left out of ACC raid. Afterthought after Buckeyes but would add a market and a team with recent success. Distance is a drawback.

    Rice- Great academics, baseball, and history with us. But having fewer total alums than we have in DFW alone probably nixes them. They only have 11,000 in Houston and likely wouldn't help with tv negotiations. I like them but they probably stay where they are.

    UTEP- Good attendance but not really a ratings draw. Ok last resort.

    New Mexico- Better draw than UTEP due to market. Football recently tanked but great pull as a basketball school. May help get Utah schools.

    CSU, Air Force, Wyoming- Some good programs but distance and markets are limiting. Likely left behind.

    Who would you all try for?
    It's a good post and financially it would alot more sense than ISU joining the MWC or Big East, the travel expense in those conferences would terrible. With the schools out there you could still form a powerful 12 team league! If these remaining schools are smart they unite and build a league under their terms and terms that will make a conference work.

    My votes are for:

    Louisville
    Memphis
    TCU
    Houston
    Cinncy
    Colorado State
    and try a Pittsburg

    Those all would bring attractive T.V. markets and respectable schools. We'll see but in Jamie I trust!


    Go Clones!



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