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    Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating


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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    I wouldn't doubt it.


    I once heard a good quote that I think pertains to all pro sports.

    "If your not cheating, your not trying"



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    A lot of pitchers do it. An extra couple inches can make a big difference



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    A lot of pitchers do it. An extra couple inches can make a big difference
    That's what she said



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    I see this all the time when umpiring even high school baseball. Often times the "foot groove" is actually a little in front of the rubber. I haven't ever heard anyone complain about it. Once that groove is worn into the mound it's pretty hard to get it readjusted so your foot is always touching the rubber when you push off.


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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    A lot of pitchers do it. An extra couple inches can make a big difference
    Gaining a couple of extra inches won't make up for the velocity you'd lose by not being able to push off of the rubber.



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by wonkadog View Post
    I see this all the time when umpiring even high school baseball. Often times the "foot groove" is actually a little in front of the rubber. I haven't ever heard anyone complain about it. Once that groove is worn into the mound it's pretty hard to get it readjusted so your foot is always touching the rubber when you push off.
    It's especially bad in high school because a lot of teams don't maintain their fields very well. I pitched on some mounds that you needed a ladder to climb out of the hole in front of the rubber. Some of those probably hadn't been filled in for years.



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by wonkadog View Post
    I see this all the time when umpiring even high school baseball. Often times the "foot groove" is actually a little in front of the rubber. I haven't ever heard anyone complain about it. Once that groove is worn into the mound it's pretty hard to get it readjusted so your foot is always touching the rubber when you push off.

    So what your saying is that if Lilly was doing it, more than likely the opposing pitcher was doing it too???


    hmmmm



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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    So what your saying is that if Lilly was doing it, more than likely the opposing pitcher was doing it too???


    hmmmm
    I'm guessing MLB mounds are maintained so that you have a choice of where to dig your hole. Maybe not. I am in the camp of those who believe that gaining an inch really isn't going to make a huge difference to MLB batters.


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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Casey, really. I would have to agree that anything you gain by sneaking up a few inches would be lost by not having as good a push off. If you could sneak up say, 12 feet, that might not be the case



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaCy View Post
    It's especially bad in high school because a lot of teams don't maintain their fields very well. I pitched on some mounds that you needed a ladder to climb out of the hole in front of the rubber. Some of those probably hadn't been filled in for years.
    bigcyfan82 and Pocanhontas Area Indians, you need to take some notes here.



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Casey didn't seem to have any problems with hitting off him. Wasn't he 2-4?


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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    I watched the game and was a little pi$$ed too because Lilly was 3-4 inches in front of the rubber on some of his pitches. I believe that is an advantage because there is very little if any groove in front of a well maintained mound so very little push-off. Seldom if ever do you see major league pitchers digging a groove in front of the mound with their heel as you used to see in the old days. Casey was pi$$ed because the 1st base ump wouldn't even acknowledge that he would watch for it. After the game the 3rd base ump said he watched Lilly and he was ok, but that was after Casey complained. Not saying it affected the outcome, but a few inches closer on a fastball does reduce a batter's reaction time.



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    Re: Ted Lilly Accused of Cheating

    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaCy View Post
    Gaining a couple of extra inches won't make up for the velocity you'd lose by not being able to push off of the rubber.
    That's not true



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