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    If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    who would you informally contact?

    My assumptions are: (1) Missouri and Nebraska will be leaving, (2) Colorado is not leaving, (3) Texas will not be leaving and (4) Texas has no interest in allowing old SWC (other than Arkansas) from joining.

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    (1) Nebraska and Missouri: I would at least try to get them to stay and check whether Texas is willing to make any concessions. Doubtful but you have to at least try to reach out.

    (2) Arkansas and TBD: Arkansas been rumored before and it's a great geographic fit.

    (3) Pitt and West Virginia: If the Big East implodes, it's proably worth calling the two best football schools left. The Pennsylvania market would by HUGE for the B12. I would welcome both of these schools to the B12 North with arms wide open.

    (4) Utah and Boise State/BYU: I'd rather have BYU but I'm note sure if two Utah schools makes sense.

    (5) Louisville and Memphis: Not crazy about the city schools but it would probably work.

    Other opitions I would consider:

    (6) Merge with Pac-10 if you can but rarely play each other other than in championships (similar to NL/AL in baseball)

    (7) Stay at 10 and go East/West instead of North/South for competitive balance.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    My order would be:
    1. Hope Missouri/Nebraska stay but would expect them to be gone.
    2. Arkansas, worth a shot
    3. Utah
    4. BYU

    Either way the Big 12 should be able to pick up Utah and another team of their choosing and there will not be much of a dip in talent. The Big 12 can not stay at 10 as they would not be able to have a Championship game.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    The first thing I'd do is try to find a way to pull my head outta my ***.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    who would you informally contact?
    All of the Big12 AD's and let them know I was going to resign.



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    What about Tulsa as an option? I read on here of people talking about schools like Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, TCU, Houston and even Northern Illinois but no talk of Tulsa. They have been a pretty good team over the years and are located in Oklahoma so that fits geographically also.

    So, if Mizzou, Nebraska and Colorado were to leave, I would try to get Arkansas, Tulsa and TCU and make the Big 12 regions be:

    North:
    ISU
    KSU
    Kansas
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Tulsa

    South:
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    TCU
    Baylor
    Texas Tech
    Arkansas


    Tulsa
    2009: 4-7
    2008: 11-3
    2007: 10-4
    2006: 8-5
    2005: 9-4
    2004: 4-8
    2003: 8-5

    Any thoughts on Tulsa in the Big 12?


    Last edited by Tank; 05-11-2010 at 01:39 PM.

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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonedave25 View Post
    The first thing I'd do is try to find a way to pull my head outta my ***.



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Don't think you would want to split up OU and Texas. Red River Rivalry is important. I would think that pseudo East-west alignment might be better.

    East
    ISU
    KU
    KSU
    Tulsa
    Arkansas
    TCU

    West
    TT
    BU
    UT
    OSU
    OU
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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    Don't think you would want to split up OU and Texas. Red River Rivalry is important. I would think that pseudo East-west alignment might be better.

    East
    ISU
    KU
    KSU
    Tulsa
    Arkansas
    TCU

    West
    TT
    BU
    UT
    OSU
    OU
    T AM

    I thought of that also but I think the Red River Rivalry will live on no matter what and OK/UT do not have to be in the same division for that to continue. I split it North/South more b/c of the equal split in overall team performance. Imagine the above scenario of East/West and having OK/UT/TT/OSU all in the same division going for the Big 12 Championship compared to what the East has to offer (TCU and Arkansas). In all honesty, it would be the same as today and how many people think of the South has the superior division presently. Now splitting OU and UT could make for a better possible Big 12 Championship game and also even out the divisions with credible, national teams.



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    What about Tulsa as an option? I read on here of people talking about schools like Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, TCU, Houston and even Northern Illinois but no talk of Tulsa. They have been a pretty good team over the years and are located in Oklahoma so that fits geographically also.

    So, if Mizzou, Nebraska and Colorado were to leave, I would try to get Arkansas, Tulsa and TCU and make the Big 12 regions be:

    North:
    ISU
    KSU
    Kansas
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Tulsa

    South:
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    TCU
    Baylor
    Texas Tech
    Arkansas


    Tulsa
    2009: 4-7
    2008: 11-3
    2007: 10-4
    2006: 8-5
    2005: 9-4
    2004: 4-8
    2003: 8-5

    Any thoughts on Tulsa in the Big 12?
    I don't know what Tulsa adds in terms of more tv sets. We've got oklahoma covered. I also don't think Texas has any interest in having old SWC schools like TCU in the conference. TCU doesn't add to the B12 footprint either.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Arkansas would jump over in a heart beat, the only thing holding them back is the $23 million they get from the SEC.



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    If I was Beebe for a day, I'd call Texas and tell them that the conference is going to straight revenue sharing, so suck it up or get **** out.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Clone96 View Post
    Arkansas would jump over in a heart beat, the only thing holding them back is the $23 million they get from the SEC.

    That is 23 million reasons not to jump over then!



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Arkansas
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    Call all three, and hope that two accept.


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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    What about Tulsa as an option? I read on here of people talking about schools like Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, TCU, Houston and even Northern Illinois but no talk of Tulsa. They have been a pretty good team over the years and are located in Oklahoma so that fits geographically also.

    Any thoughts on Tulsa in the Big 12?
    Tulsa to Big 12 is the equivalent of Big 10 asking ISU to join.

    This is the difference in the Big 10 and Big 12. Big 10 thinks and acts bold -- they are prepared to rip apart a huge rival conference like the Big 12 and poach MU and NU.

    Big 12 fans think about adding TCU and/or Tulsa.

    If Beebe and the conference had any brains, they would lock down a TV network for Pac-10/Big 12 and steal some other big teams (Arkansas, BYU or Utah) to dominate the entire Western US sports market with each league having 12 teams.

    The key is to hold NU.



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    Re: If you were Beebe for a day . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CycoCyclone View Post
    If I was Beebe for a day, I'd call Texas and tell them that the conference is going to straight revenue sharing, so suck it up or get **** out.
    And they'd tell you **** off. Beebe doesn't have the power to force revenue sharing. I believe they need at least 9 of the 12 teams to vote yes.



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