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    Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Does anyone have a link to the video, or even a story, from the ISU vs KU game where state was shooting 2 free throws and KU took off after the first shot, made a 3, they left it on the board and brought everyone back down for the second free throw? My boss is a creighton alumn and doesn't believe that it is possible. thanks in advance


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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Quote Originally Posted by JordanHXC View Post
    Does anyone have a link to the video, or even a story, from the ISU vs KU game where state was shooting 2 free throws and KU took off after the first shot, made a 3, they left it on the board and brought everyone back down for the second free throw? My boss is a creighton alumn and doesn't believe that it is possible. thanks in advance
    I don't have a link to a story, but I remember the details. Homan at the line for a two-shot foul. Misses the first and KU rebounds and J.R. Giddeons (transferred to New Mexico St. since then I believe) hit the three that they kept on the board. Homan never even left the free throw line that I remember during the whole event.

    Almost as upsetting as the blundered double-foul against Shirley in the MSU game.



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Crap that almost happened again to us in a game this year I believe. Everyone in Hilton was screaming when it happened but thankfully the refs called it dead in time.



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    I remember it that way as well.

    What was the justification by the ref (I use that term loosely)?

    If you ask me, this was far worse that the Shirley incident - importance not withstanding. At least with the Shirley double foul - it was poor use of an actual rule. In fact, I think there was a near reoccurance of it this year in the NCAA tourney. Don't remember the teams or exact scenario, but I do remember thinking that a mere 6 years later, we see it again.

    The Phantom 3 incident - I just can't figure that one out.


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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Something about "correctable errors" I think. In looking for articles about it, that was the game where KU forced overtime with another 3 where the shooter's (Keith Langford?) foot was on the line. BOOOOO!!!!



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    thank you very much, errr....i just read the article in that link and it made my blood boil again


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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    What do 3-pointers and NCAA tournaments have in common for Kansas?



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    What was the final score of that game? Did the phantom 3-pointer affect the outcome?



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    OT loss I believe - so, yes, quite the impact on the game



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    KU won 90-89 in OT. Langford hit a "3" to send it to OT, but his foot was on the line. The refs called it a trey and wasn't reviewed.



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    In neither the Shirley double foul or the phantomm 3 did the refs to anything wrong by the rule book. The just made some really bone headed gaffs.

    The three was really boneheaded. All 3 of the refs had to space off and not realize it was a two shotter. Since none of them blew it dead, the three should count. The refs should not be punished for screwing up the rules, they got those pretty much right. They should have been punished for each of them having the attention span of a 5 year old.

    The double foul was a little less of a goof. The two officials should have been communicating better before calling the charge and block. They could have blown the whistle, realized they both had the call and discussed it before signalling, or they could have looked at each other, realized the both had the call and just let one of them make the call. Good eye contact and communication should make sure that situation never happens, but since it did happen, they handled it correctly. It did happen the same way in the tournament this year, too.

    Neither of these situations should be allowed to happen. Communciation and good officiating prowess should make sure they never do. But in these 2 cases, the officials handled the situations correctly after stupidly allowing the situation to occur.



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Every time KU plays ISU I bring that up to KU fans and they just choose to believe that it didn't happen. They always say "I don't remember that play you must be wrong. It makes me so mad. That should have been ISU's 4th win in Lawerence since the start ot the Big 12 that would have tied ISU with the rest of the Big 12 with 4 wins in Lawerence. Also it would have been 4 out of 5 years,


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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Quote Originally Posted by clone52 View Post
    In neither the Shirley double foul or the phantomm 3 did the refs to anything wrong by the rule book. The just made some really bone headed gaffs.

    The three was really boneheaded. All 3 of the refs had to space off and not realize it was a two shotter. Since none of them blew it dead, the three should count. The refs should not be punished for screwing up the rules, they got those pretty much right. They should have been punished for each of them having the attention span of a 5 year old.

    The double foul was a little less of a goof. The two officials should have been communicating better before calling the charge and block. They could have blown the whistle, realized they both had the call and discussed it before signalling, or they could have looked at each other, realized the both had the call and just let one of them make the call. Good eye contact and communication should make sure that situation never happens, but since it did happen, they handled it correctly. It did happen the same way in the tournament this year, too.

    Neither of these situations should be allowed to happen. Communciation and good officiating prowess should make sure they never do. But in these 2 cases, the officials handled the situations correctly after stupidly allowing the situation to occur.
    I disagree with you about the Shirley double foul. While a double foul may be allowable according to the rules, a double blocking/charging foul is a virtual impossibility under the rulebook. Either the defensive player has established position, or he hasn't. If he has, the correct call is a charge on the offensive player, and no foul should be called on the defender. If he hasn't established position, then the offensive player has "first dibs" to the spot that the defensive player is moving to, and the call should have been a block. It's an either/or situation. Calling a foul on both players means the refs blew it, plain and simple.

    What makes it even worse is that they waived off Shirley's basket. Replays show that the ball had clearly left Shirley's hand when the contact occurred. It was obvious in real-time, and it was even more obvious in slow motion. To this day, I think the refs were scared of making a call that would upset the pro-Spartans crowd at the Palace in Auburn Hills, and they destroyed ISU's chances of winning that game as a result.



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    Re: Kansas phantom 3 pointer

    Just remember to give Tommy O'Neill (KU game) and Curtis Shaw (MSU game) hell whenever they come to Hilton. O'Neill has screwed us more than just that one time in the Phog as well. I don't have a big problem with Shaw but that block/charge call will eat at me until the day I die so I can't help but rip him.



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