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    Campus Police Weapons

    I noticed in the Register's feedback on the U of I bomb scare some banter about campus police only carrying tazers.

    In the wake of what happened at Virginia Tech do you think the schools would reconsider restricting campus policy to tazers? I know they go through the same academy that regular police officers do and are clearly trained on the use of deadly weapons, so why exactly aren't they allowed to carry them?

    Also, as a side note, I feel like I've seen ISUPD carrying sidearms at football games. Does anyone know if there are different standards for different events? Also, do they have access to guns (i.e. in the armory)?

    It just seems to me that for the same reasons we have Des Moines, Ames, etc PD carrying guns we should also have campus police carrying guns.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    Arming the good guys,..... hmmmmm, that is just crazy enough to work.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    To be honest, in the case of the VT incident, I'm not sure if arming the campus police would've helped at all.

    I also am unsure if throwing more people with weapons at the situation is the best solution.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    I am completely undecided on this issue. A determined crazy person on a mission will sometimes succeed regardless of the security put into place. However, it would be nice to have someone within shouting distance in these situations that has the firepower to handle it.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    I think the Iowa State University police are armed?



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    no they aren't, and i hope it stays that way. There may be a few incidents when they should be - but there are far more that firearms would just be overkill (literally).



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    I also am unsure if throwing more people with weapons at the situation is the best solution.
    From the movie, The Punisher

    "You are one dumb son of a *****. Bringing a knife to a gunfight."


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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    ISU PD carry tazers, but not guns. I think they should be able to. Whenever there is a situation where a cop needs a gun, they have to call Ames PD. That may be too long of a wait when there is a life on the line.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    So those guys driving around the police cars don't have guns? That is crazy. They do traffic stops and everything. Who's to say they don't pull over some drug crazed lunatic with a gat? They need to be able to protect themselves and the students of the unviersity they are hired to serve. If anything has made that point clear, it was a week or so ago.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    I say take more time to hire the right person for ISU security and train them to react with a gun in the right way. If I'm a criminal, then I say, leave the guns away from them. Call me old school....



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ekim121 View Post
    I noticed in the Register's feedback on the U of I bomb scare some banter about campus police only carrying tazers.

    In the wake of what happened at Virginia Tech do you think the schools would reconsider restricting campus policy to tazers? I know they go through the same academy that regular police officers do and are clearly trained on the use of deadly weapons, so why exactly aren't they allowed to carry them?

    Also, as a side note, I feel like I've seen ISUPD carrying sidearms at football games. Does anyone know if there are different standards for different events? Also, do they have access to guns (i.e. in the armory)?

    It just seems to me that for the same reasons we have Des Moines, Ames, etc PD carrying guns we should also have campus police carrying guns.
    The security at football games is a combo of State Troopers, County Sheriffs, Ames PD, and DPS so some officers are armed but not the DPS officers.
    I do not think the DPS should be armed at this time. The probability of a situation like VT vs. an accidental shooting which is greater?



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    The only thing that could be more tragic than the VT incident itself, is we are – for the most part – helpless in stopping these issues.

    More campus police has been mentioned a lot. So has giving them guns, tasers, etc. Banks are still robbed even though some are armed. Stores too, even though cameras exist. Plans are still hijacked even though airport security is in place.

    A crime can be committed if one is “good” enough at it and/or plans it well enough. The VT killer planned that incident to a T.

    More people with weapons undoubtedly will lead to more killing. You can’t just arm anyone. These individuals must be trained well, as well as fit for the job. Ignore than and you’ve got an untrained or irresponsible person of authority with a gun. Not good.

    At colleges all over the country, I’ll bet in the last week students have been ratting each other out right and left for suspicious behavior. Some classmates probably have been labeled as killers waiting to happen. So, what do you believe? Clearly the VT killer threw up some red flags, yet they couldn’t get through to him. Were the supposed to jail him because he acted a bit weird and demented? Jail all these other students for the same?

    Seriously, what do you do? I surely wouldn’t want to be tasked with that question. Because it’s answer may never be found.

    My post isn’t one of hopelessness and despair. I’m just calling this like I see it. There are surely things that can be done to help some. Yet I don’t think there is any solution outside of a prison-like atmosphere that will prevent these school shootings from happening again.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    Bad guys do not follow rules. Bad guys will have the weapons. Bad guys will break the laws. Why not give more training and arm the people that are to Protect and Serve?



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    More people with weapons undoubtedly will lead to more killing. You canít just arm anyone. These individuals must be trained well, as well as fit for the job. Ignore than and youíve got an untrained or irresponsible person of authority with a gun. Not good.
    This goes without saying. Nobody here (that I know of) is saying that we give "Jim Bob" a gun and let him loose. I think the debate is whether or not schools need to spend the money that it takes to get highly trained people with weapons on the campus.



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    Re: Campus Police Weapons

    I don't disagree with you red, I really don't.

    Yet I'm not sure what help that would've done at Virginia Tech. Maybe...just maybe someone would've nailed him between crime scene #1 and crime scene #2 - yet - it's not likely. He was very thorough in his planning and it would've been very tough to stop him.

    There are already shortages in law enforcement from what I understand. Not in all areas, yet many. Someone with some better background there could help clear up any discrepancies.

    Anyways...so if there is already a shortage - and we're looking at adding more - either it can't be done or you'll sacrifice quality to increase quantity. That scares me when we're arming a bunch of people with guns that maybe shouldn't be.

    It stinks to think of money when you're talking about human lives - but - that definitely comes into play. It's not cheap to staff a college campus full of properly trained (or improper for that matter) law enforcement with guns. So where does that money come from? I constantly read about high schools and colleges with budget issues and this or that getting cut. What is sacrificed? Human life is of course priority - yet how effective can colleges be with their budgets tied up in security expenses?


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