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    Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    just released on SC.... apparently Steelers have started contacting team to try and trade him



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    There's a train of thought out there (MSNBC) that they might be putting feelers out there to "scare him straight". Like talking about trades to Oakland or somewhere. That might just do it.

    Tomorrow night's first round of the draft could be a little tense for Ben.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    I actually think that he would do good in Oakland. Strong arm, slightly mobile. would probably help that offense a lot.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    I actually think that he would do good in Oakland. Strong arm, slightly mobile. would probably help that offense a lot.
    Bill Simmons: Welcome to the Sports Guy's first-ever NFL mock draft - ESPN

    The real shame: If the Raiders hadn't already dumped their 2011 No. 1 pick for Richard Seymour, they could have offered two No. 1s to Pittsburgh for Ben Roethlisberger, who immediately would have become the most perfect Raider since Ken Stabler. Oh, like the Oakland fans would have judged him? Come on. JUST WIN, BABY!

    Quick tangent: I'm fascinated by the Roethlisberger situation. If anyone was ever set up to cut bait with him, it's a family-owned franchise in a blue-collar city that already rode him to two Super Bowl wins. We allegedly have a guy who sought out a drunk girl, had a bodyguard/personal assistant run interference for him, and took the girl alone into a bathroom while her friends tried to, for lack of a better word, save her because they knew she was blitzed. Now Pittsburgh fans are being asked to forgive this person even though (A) they don't know exactly how badly he behaved, and (B) they aren't sure whether this was the first time. Many are having trouble with this request.

    Look, nobody wants to win THAT badly unless you haven't won in a long time, then you can talk yourself into just about anything. Steelers fans don't need him anymore. He's like a prize camel that already walked them across the desert twice. At the same time, Pittsburgh is trying to remain competitive, so it can't trade him without a fair deal -- maybe you don't have to Godfather Offer them like TBS Godfathered Conan O'Brien, but you'd better pony up something -- and the Steelers would never trade him within their division or to another AFC contender.

    Here's the question: What cities need a QB, have the assets for a trade and qualify for the aforementioned "nobody wants to win THAT badly unless you haven't won in a long time, then you can talk yourself into just about anything" statement? According to my calculations, Buffalo, Kansas City, Oakland and San Francisco. That's it. I don't think San Fran and K.C. would gut their teams for him. The Bills don't work because they could never put a good enough team around him, and if he ever slipped up again, they would never recover. That leaves Oakland. We already know Al Davis is starstruck; we know he loves gunslinger QBs; we know he loves to get people talking; we know he doesn't care about the future because he died four years ago; and we know he could care less about someone's background or character. In other words, he's a perfect match.

    So what if Al offered Pittsburgh the No. 8 pick and a No. 1 pick in 2012? Wouldn't the Steelers have to do it? If you're Al Davis, and you died four years ago wouldn't you have to do it? If you're Roethlisberger, wouldn't you want a fresh start somewhere else? Stay tuned. I have no inside info whatsoever, and I made this whole thing up three minutes ago, but stay tuned.


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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    I actually think that he would do good in Oakland. Strong arm, slightly mobile. would probably help that offense a lot.
    Maybe,

    But would you want to play for Al Davis and whomever he has coach this year? Then whomever he has next year? Then whomever the year following?



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Would love to see the Steelers deal him. They did it with Holmes, why not him?



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Maybe,

    But would you want to play for Al Davis and whomever he has coach this year? Then whomever he has next year? Then whomever the year following?
    Unless Big Ben has a no-trade clause...does he really have a choice. He would either have to play there or not get paid. Simple decision.

    He is under contract until 2016 so that would be a long time to sit out because you didn't like the coach or owner.

    If he chooses not to play, the Raiders would have the upper hand. They wouldn't have to pay him and they wouldn't have to release him either. They would control his football playing career for the next six years.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    I thought I heard that Goodell wanted the Rooney's to take some action against Big Ben as well? Did the NFL let the steelers off the hook by taking the pressure off the Rooney's or will there be an additional suspension?



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    I hope they lose all six...I HATE THE STEELERS...and hate Big Ben way more. He's such a tool.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    Would love to see the Steelers deal him. They did it with Holmes, why not him?
    Receivers are a bit easier to come by than QBs. My guess is they think they can deal with Ben as well.

    I'm a bit indifferent about it. I've never been in awe of Rothlisberger. His accuracy and judgement aren't the greatest. But he clearly can do things that just about no other QB can do - I mean it takes a Mack truck to bring him down. That makes him an upper echelon starter.

    The Rooney's have to be getting their fill of him, however. It's been something each of the last few off seasons.

    If Oakland makes sense, and he'd be such a instant help there, why would the above article limit their choice to the 2011 1st round? Why not this year's?



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Receivers are a bit easier to come by than QBs. My guess is they think they can deal with Ben as well.

    I'm a bit indifferent about it. I've never been in awe of Rothlisberger. His accuracy and judgement aren't the greatest. But he clearly can do things that just about no other QB can do - I mean it takes a Mack truck to bring him down. That makes him an upper echelon starter.

    The Rooney's have to be getting their fill of him, however. It's been something each of the last few off seasons.

    If Oakland makes sense, and he'd be such a instant help there, why would the above article limit their choice to the 2011 1st round? Why not this year's?
    Simmons is saying it takes TWO 1sts. So this years, and 2012, since the Raiders' 2011 first rounder is already owned by NE.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrocyz View Post
    Unless Big Ben has a no-trade clause...does he really have a choice. He would either have to play there or not get paid. Simple decision.

    He is under contract until 2016 so that would be a long time to sit out because you didn't like the coach or owner.

    If he chooses not to play, the Raiders would have the upper hand. They wouldn't have to pay him and they wouldn't have to release him either. They would control his football playing career for the next six years.
    Right, so I'm guessing the point of what the talking points on MSNBC were saying is that he wouldn't want to go there for whatever reason(s), hence the "scare him straight" point.

    Don't think he has a choice. Your point of his being a fit wasn't really an issue, unless you think that would make Oakland an appealing destination for him. The other article seems to think so.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by azn4cy View Post
    Simmons is saying it takes TWO 1sts. So this years, and 2012, since the Raiders' 2011 first rounder is already owned by NE.
    Well, the real problem is that Pitt doesn't even have a very good backup, much less somebody to step in an take over Ben's spot.

    But if they could get this year's, and another in 2012, and there's somebody available there at Oakland's 8 spot ... it might be pretty tempting.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Maybe,

    But would you want to play for Al Davis and whomever he has coach this year? Then whomever he has next year? Then whomever the year following?
    His criminal behavior would immediately become acceptable if he got traded to the Raiders. Just look at that slob kicker they have. That guy has been arrested around 17 times since he got in the league. He actually beat down a waiter in a restaurant because he commented on his cheap tip.

    I liked Big Ben before. I respected his ability but now with everything that he has allegedly done... I would prefer to see him in prison.



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    Re: Big Ben out 4-6 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Well, the real problem is that Pitt doesn't even have a very good backup, much less somebody to step in an take over Ben's spot.

    But if they could get this year's, and another in 2012, and there's somebody available there at Oakland's 8 spot ... it might be pretty tempting.
    What? You don't think they can win with Charlie Batch and Byron Leftwich? They both have Super Bowl rings!

    Dixon looked pretty good in his start last year against Baltimore - until overtime.

    It may be a good move for Pittsburgh to trade him, as the other AFC teams (Ravens, Jets, Dolphins) have been collecting talent to win immediately. The Steelers could be a leg up on the competition if they start collecting young talent now.



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