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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by BigCojones View Post
    I don't get why everyone thinks we are going to be so bad. The season is going to entirely hinge on DG (and CC if he stays). BB is so guard oriented. If DG can continue into this year like he ended last year. (agressive) Then there is a chance we could be decent. With a veteran line up of

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    And CC / Oliver / Ejim / Demarcus Phillips all could possibly start or be very able substitutions.

    I guess I just see a big surprise comming (if DG brings it) since know one is giving us a chance.
    You are assuming all those players are going to be here next season. Colvin is gone.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Hanging me out to dry with that question

    Appear to get along, but I have no way of knowing for sure.
    Sorry about that. I just think if next years' team is resiliant, hard-working, and has some good team chemistry for a change they will have the ability to overachieve. I'm excited! I'm already looking forward to November.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Product of only being able to put 5 on the floor at once...Just listing our options.
    I realize that, but it made it look overly deep. We have 2 guys that can come in for quality minutes. That may be all we need and works out fine, we don't have 4 guys coming off the bench to produce real quality results.

    I just don't see who will be the floor leader. Maybe w/CB gone, DG will really step it up. If someone doesn't have Dendy under control, he will take tons of bad shots, have fouls, stupid mistakes.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0 View Post
    You are assuming all those players are going to be here next season. Colvin is gone.
    Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team! He was a 4-star recruit, has a great deal of God-given talent, and a has a lot of up-side potential. However, statistically he contributed nothing and he was an absolute cancer in the locker room.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonenum1 View Post
    My fear is that we finish 14-16 and some will try to spin it as though we have somehow 'turned the corner' since we 'overachieved'.

    I've said it before and I will say it again now...give me a 20-10 underachieving team over a 14-16 overachieving team every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
    Yes. Should be obvious, but believe it or not I have been in arguments on that subject on this site with people who claim they would rather watch a bad team that overachieves than a good team that underachieves.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    Sorry about that. I just think if next years' team is resiliant, hard-working, and has some good team chemistry for a change they will have the ability to overachieve. I'm excited! I'm already looking forward to November.
    Just my opinion...

    Mac is tired of the drama. Taking guys that will work hard, listen, go to war, leave it on the floor, and live with the result.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team!
    Yeah, I've heard that one before.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    Just my opinion...

    Mac's tired of the drama. Taking guys that will work hard, listen, go to war, leave it on the floor, and live with the result.
    Unfortunately, 2 months ago if we took a poll as to who on our roster embodies those qualities... Just Hamilton would have probably won. Maybe Boozer.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team! He was a 4-star recruit, has a great deal of God-given talent, and a has a lot of up-side potential. However, statistically he contributed nothing and he was an absolute cancer in the locker room.
    He didn't have any legal issues or anything like that... His only problem is that he may not have the attitude to utilize his "God-given talent", or so you claim. Last I remember, Jamaal Tinsley was off with Stephen Jackson shooting pistols in nightclubs and getting marijuana charges filed against him. He was enough of a problem on and off the court that the pacers PAID HIM TO STAY AWAY. A lot more extreme than colvin, but Eustachy reined him in pretty well, didn't he? It all comes back to coaching.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team! He was a 4-star recruit, has a great deal of God-given talent, and a has a lot of up-side potential. However, statistically he contributed nothing and he was an absolute cancer in the locker room.
    How many times does it take for people to realize that this argument is 100% false?



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by BigCojones View Post
    I disagree. I think to be good DG need to pick up right where he left off. Scotty is at full strength. Boozer/JVB shake the rust off and Booz is ready to be the team spark plug again. Boozers energy can be cantagious.
    Pick up right where he left off? What scoring 10-12 points? That is not going to cut it if you think we are going to be good. Scotty? Dendy? Boozer? JVB? none of these guys will scare anybody. Teams will play us straight up because we don';t have anyone that can create their own shot. There is no one that they will need to double team. WHen you have players like Brackins and Gilstrap that teams have to respect because they can get their own shot then it creates opportunities for other guys because of double teams and guys helping off their man. The only person that can drive somewhat is DG and he misses a lot of close shots.

    Brackins, Gilstrap and Hamilton accounted for 37 points and 23 rebounds a game. Where is that going to come from? Not from out current roster. We need new guys to come in and be amazing for us to be good.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    Unfortunately, 2 months ago if we took a poll as to who on our roster embodies those qualities... Just Hamilton would have probably won. Maybe Boozer.
    Accurate, but fans don't see the every day workings...Hard to make an accurate judgement.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    If we cant win with 2 NBA prospects, we can't win without them.

    1st off they maybe prospects but neither are NBA good. Neither will last more then 2-3 years in the NBA.

    It's funny how when CB was out during the KSU game we played some of our best BB. Forcing the ball to him and then having him force shot was not working in conference play.
    When the entire team is force to contribute w/o him things could improve. How many times forceing the ball to him resulted in a TO and them him forcing shot resulted in a missed basket this year?

    Listen I'm glad both those guys where clones. But last season I saw a ton of things they could improve on... They were good college players but weren't as good as alot of people think they are.



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by BigCojones View Post
    I don't get why everyone thinks we are going to be so bad. The season is going to entirely hinge on DG (and CC if he stays). BB is so guard oriented. If DG can continue into this year like he ended last year. (agressive) Then there is a chance we could be decent. With a veteran line up of

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    And CC / Oliver / Ejim / Demarcus Phillips all could possibly start or be very able substitutions.

    I guess I just see a big surprise comming (if DG brings it) since know one is giving us a chance.
    We had these same team, aside from Ejim and Phillips who will get some PT but I doubt will be big contributors, plus two NBA caliber players and we were 2nd worse in the Big 12. Why should I expect us to be any good again?



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    Re: I guess I don't see us being as bad as Miller & Deace

    Quote Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92 View Post
    Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team! He was a 4-star recruit, has a great deal of God-given talent, and a has a lot of up-side potential. However, statistically he contributed nothing and he was an absolute cancer in the locker room.
    Buddy, I have no problem with you wanting to be positive about the program. But comments like this really are foolish.

    Losing our most talented players is not positive for our program...especially in light of the fact that it appears that we do not have much talent to start with. It might be a different story if we were loaded with top notch talent...but I don't think that is the case.

    This isn't the first time this sort of lunacy has been posted on this site. I seem to recall hearing that losing WJ was going to be a positive for us as well because he was also a cancer. How did that turn out?



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