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    past few years alot of players have left

    i just did this as a blog but i figured i would make it a topic as well just so more people would see it...

    Iowa State Mens Basketball has lost alot of players and some never even made it to campus, in the last couple of seasons, and that is one of the reasons we have strugled so much..
    (from what i know/scout and rivals)

    class of 2002
    Adam Hulaska
    Tim Barnes
    Chris Alexander
    Jerome Harper

    Who Stayed:
    Jackson Vroman

    class of 2003
    Will Blalock
    Curtis Stinson
    Reggie George

    Who Stayed:
    Damion Staple

    class of 2004
    Tasheed Carr (he was 2004 right? i cant remember if he was or if he was 03)
    Aaron Agnew
    Robert Faulkner
    Ivan Chiriaev (because the NBA needed him )

    Who Stayed:
    Rashon Clark
    Anthony Davis

    Class of 2005
    Theo Davis
    Shawn Taggert
    Farnold Degand
    Kellen Lee
    Ross Marsden
    Mike Evanovich

    Who Stayed
    Jessan Grey
    Jiri Hubalek

    Class of 2006 (not going to include players that did not come at all)
    Dodie Dunson
    Cory McIntosh


    Who Stayed (so far)
    Wesley Johnson
    Cory Johnson
    Alex Thompson (kinda..)
    Mike Taylor (on the bubble)

    This Years Class
    Marcus Brister
    Diante Garrett
    Lucca Staiger
    Charles Boozer
    Craig Brackins
    Clayton Vette

    When you look at this, it is kind of sad that we are losing more players (on scholorship) then we are graduating.. and when you think about it, we really should not be too suprised anymore that players are leaving because we should be used to it... i hope we graduate everyoe from this class, because this has not happened for a long time...


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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Good info... and very sobering.




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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    I'd be curious to see what peer institutions have for #'s during this same time frame.


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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    I thought about this as well... when you look at our roster for next season, we will add six true freshman and our scholarship players will look like this:

    Taylor (assuming he's here) - Sr.
    Hubalek - Sr.
    Clark - Sr.
    C. Johnson - So.
    W. Johnson - So.
    A Thompson - Jr.
    Garrett - Fr.
    Brackins - Fr.
    Brister - Fr.
    Staiger - Fr.
    Boozer - Fr.
    Vette - Fr.

    That means, unless I'm incorrect, we'll have 4 (I guess 2 after Eikmeier and Buckley) schollies for 2008 open. That's 10 new players in 2 years. It'd be nice to get to a point where that isn't the case all the time.




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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    How does all this coming and going nonsense effect the NCAA rule about graduation rates? It should be about time we lose some schollies out of this.


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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Tim Floyd instituted the culture of high player turnover at ISU. Larry also made it a big part of his approach to the game. I think things would have stabilized under Wayne (and I won't hold NBA departures against him), but Wayne can't coach so he had to go. Greg inherited a mess, so he gets a pass, but while I hope he settles things down regarding turnover, I won't hold my breath.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Well, we certainly haven't had any Tony Yelk types on our basketball team in recent history.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Let's give the coach a couple years of recruiting instead of worrying about what TF, LE and WM did.

    I remember WM saying that the were many programs that would be happy to have Wayne Morgan as their coach. I still laugh at his presser when he constantly referred to himself in third person.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    I think part of the problem is we recruited marginal players or players with character issues. I think GMac will probably do a bette job of doing his homework. Tim and Larry were all about the project players with potential that no one else wanted and if some didn't pan out with grades or baggage they just brought in someone else the next year. For instance:

    class of 2002
    Adam Hulaska - transferred, worked out well for him personally
    Tim Barnes - An idiot, couldn't even get his grades up after not being able to play nearly a year
    Chris Alexander - somewhat of an enigma. Marginal player, had personal issues
    Jerome Harper - grades

    class of 2003
    Will Blalock - got 3 years didn't we? Playing in the NBA now
    Curtis Stinson - got 3 years didn't we?
    Reggie George - marginal player, had terrible hands

    class of 2004
    Tasheed Carr - wish he had stayed, could have helped a lot this year
    Aaron Agnew - big softy, too fat and slow for the Big 12 and not physical enough
    Robert Faulkner - was it grades or law trouble? Can't remember but was something shady that he left
    Ivan Chiriaev - complete moron. Should have went to college but then again how were his grades?

    Class of 2005
    Theo Davis - another idiot that couldn't make the grades, also had some baggage
    Shawn Taggert - couldn't play defense, over-hyped. will see how he pans out in Memphis
    Farnold Degand - change of coach drove him away, was supposed to be good though
    Kellen Lee - who???
    Ross Marsden - marginal Big 12 player. sickness and injuries did not help either
    Mike Evanovich - not a Big 12 player


    Class of 2006 (not going to include players that did not come at all)
    Dodie Dunson - sad to see him go
    Cory McIntosh - marginal Big 12 player
    Mike Taylor (on the bubble) - has legal issues, can't stay out of trouble



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    How does all this coming and going nonsense effect the NCAA rule about graduation rates? It should be about time we lose some schollies out of this.
    Jerry1982 addressed this issue in another thread, where I raised concerns about future scholarship limits, as follows:

    The Academic Progress Rate (APR) and yes, I believe these transfers do impact that score. It's a very long winded scoring system that is intended to penalize teams that fall below a 50% graduation rate. It is not in fact though, a precise measurement.

    The APR score is hurt if a student is academically ineligible or if the athlete does not return for the fall semester. The score is a rolling 4-year average. We won't have 4 year data until this fall. Leniency is going to be used until March '08, when the program should be in full swing.

    I've got a little more data on this, if you're interested drop me a note.


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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Players leaving is not the issue at all. The issue is Larry Eustachy and Wayne Worgan. I think if LE stayed and sobered up, we would have done quite well with his coaching and Wayne's recruiting, which is why he was hired in the first place. It took a few years to get from point A to point B (LE firing to GMac hiring), but GMac should bring some stability that we've been lacking after this year.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    I think we're still going to have some player turnover. If we bring in four freshman next year, that would make 10 underclassmen on the roster, 2 juniors and 1 senior.

    I doubt everybody will hang around as backups for the majority of their careers.




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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Is it official that Dunson is transferring? I know speculation has been rampant on here about his encroaching departure, but I still haven't seen any official news about it one way or the other.

    Yeah, our turnover rate was atrocious under TF and LE, and only slightly less so under WM (although having guys like Faulker and George leave in the middle of the season back in '04 and '05 seemed to be additon by subtraction). Of course, since Johnny Orr our coaches have only stayed for an average of four seasons, so it's not to be entirely unexpected.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    Quote Originally Posted by joepublic View Post
    Tim Floyd instituted the culture of high player turnover at ISU. Larry also made it a big part of his approach to the game. I think things would have stabilized under Wayne (and I won't hold NBA departures against him), but Wayne can't coach so he had to go. Greg inherited a mess, so he gets a pass, but while I hope he settles things down regarding turnover, I won't hold my breath.
    Isn't it a little lame to blame the turnover rate on a coach who left 5 or is it 6 yrs. ago. The main reason for the turn over in players is the turn over in coachs. Now that we have Mac that situation should be taken care of. If we lose players now hopefully it will be to the NBA.



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    Re: past few years alot of players have left

    People, as I have said before, this is not unique to ISU. This happens all over the country at many, many schools.

    The APR is a concern. But as I understand it, if a kid leaves in good standing to go after another career option (pro ball or otherwise), he does not hurt your number.

    I think the big problem is actually kids that transfer to other schools and end up dropping out while not in good standing...that, as I understand it, actually would count against us.

    The two keys to "staying clean" appear to be leaving in good academic standing and leaving to pursue other career options.

    The APR is in its third year I believe. Once it is through the first four years it will be based upon a rolling four year average.



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