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    ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    This morning Steve said that the men's basketball program is only 6% of the budget. Jon followed that the women's program doesn't even turn a profit. *please correct me if I heard this wrong*

    I assume MBB is profitable, even during this losing season, from donors, tickets, and the local TV contract. I'm curious to see the % of budget football brings is vs the % it uses. Anyone know if this is public?

    Regardless, I'm glad bb is over and the spring football game is coming! Go Cyclones.


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbomo View Post
    Jon followed that the women's program doesn't even turn a profit. *please correct me if I heard this wrong*
    I believe I read that posted and discussed here before.

    Hard to believe that one of the top three in attendance can't make a profit.


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    I don't know why people are so shocked to hear it every time, but there isn't a college sports program in the nation outside of men's bball or football that actual turns a profit.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Women's isn't close to turning a profit and it's that way everywhere.

    TV money is how these programs make a real profit.




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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbomo View Post
    This morning Steve said that the men's basketball program is only 6% of the budget. Jon followed that the women's program doesn't even turn a profit. *please correct me if I heard this wrong*

    I assume MBB is profitable, even during this losing season, from donors, tickets, and the local TV contract. I'm curious to see the % of budget football brings is vs the % it uses. Anyone know if this is public?

    Regardless, I'm glad bb is over and the spring football game is coming! Go Cyclones.
    When you say budget do you actually mean revenue?




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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post

    TV money is how these programs make a real profit.
    But even with TV money, are the womens programs still losing money??


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    When you say budget do you actually mean revenue?
    Good question, I'm not sure.


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Not sure where they are pulling the 6% figure. These numbers are directly from the US Department of Education from the 08-09 fiscal year, see for yourself.

    Total Athletic Expenses: 45.8 million. Total Revenue: 45.9 million.
    MBB expenses: 4.3 million. MBB Revenue: 6.2 million.

    So the percentage is somewhere in the 9-15% region depending on how you calculate, but definitely not 6%.

    As for WBB: Expenses: 3.0 million. Revenue: 1.55 million.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    According to Equity in Athletics Data Analysis Cutting Tool Website

    For 7/1/2008 - 6/30/2009,

    ISU WBB Expenses: $2,996,712
    ISU WBB Revenue: $1,541,423

    ISU MBB Expenses: $4,296,701
    ISU MBB Revenue: $6,197,669


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    The numbers don't add up for 6% of the budget.

    Our overall budget is $42M, 6% of that would be $2.5M. We played 18 home games with an average attendance of 12,000. That would mean an average ticket price of less than $12 per ticket. That doesn't even take other income like contributions required for many of the seats, TV revenue, advertising, etc.

    Our income from the conference was over $11M. I assume a big percentage of that was from the NCAA tournament money.

    I can remember Johnny Orr (and I think Tim Floyd) both saying that the biggest profit producer for the athletic department was men's basketball. Things may have changed since then, but I don't know how much.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    I don't know why people are so shocked to hear it every time, but there isn't a college sports program in the nation outside of men's bball or football that actual turns a profit.
    Generally speaking, you are correct. CFB and MBB are the cash cows for the entire athletic department at nearly every school...primarily due to the revenues derived from TV contracts. But additionally sources of revenue in these sports have also grown in recent times...stuff like merchandising, luxury boxes, and exclusive sponsorships.

    Other sports just do not have the TV contracts...I don't know what ESPN pays each year for the Women's tourney but I can assure you that it is nowhere near the $617 million that CBS pays for the Men's tourney. In fact, the total revenue of the NCAA is only $700 million a year at present...so I know for sure it is less than $83 million. Additionally, these other sports do not have the merchandising, luxury boxes, etc. that the FB and MBB programs do.

    Having said that, some other sports do squeak out a profit at some schools. I know that LSU Baseball has been able to squeak out a profit ($200,000 - $500,000 as I recall) in some years.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    The numbers don't add up for 6% of the budget.

    Our overall budget is $42M, 6% of that would be $2.5M. We played 18 home games with an average attendance of 12,000. That would mean an average ticket price of less than $12 per ticket. That doesn't even take other income like contributions required for many of the seats, TV revenue, advertising, etc.

    Our income from the conference was over $11M. I assume a big percentage of that was from the NCAA tournament money.

    I can remember Johnny Orr (and I think Tim Floyd) both saying that the biggest profit producer for the athletic department was men's basketball. Things may have changed since then, but I don't know how much.
    I think they have...I hope they have.

    The bottom line is that the athletic programs that are self-sufficient (I believe there are only about 24 or so that are able to fully support themselves) are the ones that have great FB programs...big sold out stadiums with required donations for seating, lots of luxury boxes that go for $50,000-$100,000 per year, playing in conferences with great TV contracts, and playing in conferences that get a lot of BCS bids.

    CFB really needs to be the main breadwinner in the athletic department.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Based off of what I know, without including TV revenue, MBB accounts for less than 5 percent of the budget. If you add TV revenue, that number goes up to like 12 percent. These are unofficial figures BTW.



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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Steve, it seems JP was floating some mythical figures.

    expenses revenue
    FB $14,404,274.00 31% $21,261,439.00 46%
    MBB $4,296,701.00 9% $6,197,669.00 14%
    WBB $2,996,712.00 7% $1,541,423.00 3%
    tot $45,768,049.00 $45,813,189.00

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams View Post
    Based off of what I know, without including TV revenue, MBB accounts for less than 5 percent of the budget. If you add TV revenue, that number goes up to like 12 percent. These are unofficial figures BTW.
    This furthers the argument that Big 12 needs a better television contract.


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    Re: ISU MBB 6% of Athletic Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbomo View Post
    Steve, it seems JP was floating some mythical figures.
    JP was floating some mythical numbers? Or Steve* was?

    (* this is probably the correct answer)



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