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    Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    I have to here soon replace both my water heater and water softner. I am looking for information about what products others have bought and how they liked them. Also if they installed them themselves or had a plumber or contractor do it.

    I have looked at culligan but 1400 installed was a little steap for me. I looked at sears kennmore and will be spending about 900 if I have them install it.


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    I had a Culligan water softner for about 20 years and I replaced it last year when the resin wore out. I figured Culligan was a little too proud of their stuff and went with a Sears unit this time. I installed it myself. If you know how to sweat pipes it's no big deal. I am happy with my choice.

    I also replaced a 25 year old water heater (original with the house) last week. I bought it at Home Depot and installed it myself.

    My house has copper pipes so I did the work in the traditional manner (solder). If you have newer plastic pipes, you have options.



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    You can get good softners at Menards for around $300.00. They should hook right up to the plumbing you already have. I think you can get a good heater for around the same money. Why do you think you need to replace this stuff anyway?


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    If you want a contractor installed water heater I would highly recommend a Bradford White (www.bradfordwhite.com). It's what I have in my house and it is an exellent product. The ones you buy at home improvement stores are made three manufactures that also have their own line of products. A.O. Smith produces the tanks for Reliance, Kenmore, and State. Rheems produces the tanks for GE and Ruud and Richmond. American Water Heater produces the tanks for Whirlpool, American PROLine, and U.S. Craftmaster. If you want to install youself I would buy which ever fits your size, price and warranty desires. It's pure luck as to which one will last the longest.

    No experience with water softners.



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Get an A.O. Smith WaterHeater. That's the brand we sold at the supply store I worked at in college; very reliable.



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Quote Originally Posted by vanillathrilla View Post
    Get an A.O. Smith WaterHeater. That's the brand we sold at the supply store I worked at in college; very reliable.
    What really can go wrong with a waterheater to make it unreliable?


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    What really can go wrong with a waterheater to make it unreliable?
    Well, if you don't have a water softener, they will fill up with mineral deposits. I replaced my water heat 12 years ago with an A.O. Smith and it's been great. The worst part of the whole deal was getting the old heater out. It weighed a ton. The people before me didn't have a water softener.


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Saw the heat pump water heaters on This Old House this weekend. Anyone out there spring for one of these yet? I put in a heat pump to heat our house a couple years back and love it. I love the efficiency aspects of this type of water heater, but the upfront costs are steep. I imagine there are lots of rebates on these units??



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    What really can go wrong with a waterheater to make it unreliable?
    It's just like anything else you buy...bad parts, bad quality, etc...



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    On box store waterheaters:

    The difference between the model with the five year warranty and the 10 year warranty is the price. The units are the same. And unless your water is exceptionally hard, the extra warranty isn't worth it.


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Quote Originally Posted by cychhosis View Post
    Well, if you don't have a water softener, they will fill up with mineral deposits. I replaced my water heat 12 years ago with an A.O. Smith and it's been great. The worst part of the whole deal was getting the old heater out. It weighed a ton. The people before me didn't have a water softener.
    It depends on the hardness of the water. I used to live in Ogden, where they have some of the hardest water on the planet. 8-10 years is the typical life of a water heater there without a softener, although I got 13 out of the one I had. In Ames or Boone, that same water heater will last 15-20 years without a softener and with very little mineral build up.


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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Hot water is overrated.

    I have a pool and a pond outback.

    I like the pond better.



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    My kenmore water softener recently went kaput, I think it was about ten years old. I bought a new kenmore that was basically equivalent to the old one, and it dropped right in. I did not replace the bypass valve, which made the installation incredibly easy.

    I can't comment on the water heater though, I imagine that installation would be a little more involved.



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    Re: Water heaters and Water Softners ?

    Also, I understand kenmore water softeners only last about ten years because all the parts are plastic. You'll likely get a much longer life out of some other brands...one of the tradeoffs.



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