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    ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Excuse me if this has already been posted. I've tried to avoid anything about ISU basketball for fear of hurting something. Check out this piece of research turned in by "Snoop Dog" Ford:

    McDermott Defections

    Inherited players from Wayne Morgan:
    Tasheed Carr – Big 12 All-Bench Team as a freshman; transferred to St. Josephs and led team in scoring and assists senior year.
    Farnold Degand – redshirted; transferred to N.C. State.
    Mike Evanovich – transferred to Fairfield.
    Shawn Taggart – transferred to Memphis and started on team that played for national title.
    Ross Marsden – quit basketball.

    2006 recruiting class: 5 signees, 5 defections
    Dodie Dunson – transferred to Bradley.
    Cory Johnson – transferred to Valpraiso.
    Wesley Johnon – transferred to Syracuse; projected as lottery pick.
    Mike Taylor – kicked off team for disciplinary reasons; went on to play in NBA.
    Corey McIntosh – JUCO player played one year and transferred to Augustana, S.D.

    2007 recruiting class: 6 signees, 4 defections:
    Marcus Brister – left ISU and apparently vaporized.
    Lucca Staiger – left ISU mid-season to play professionally in Germany.
    Clayton Vette – project who transferred to Winona State.
    Craig Brackins – probably shouldn’t be counted as a defection, as he’s projected as a first-round draft choice leaving after his junior year.

    2008 recruiting class: 6 signees, 5 defections:
    Dominique Buckley – transferring for more playing time.
    Wes Eikmeier – transferred to Colorado State.
    Clinton Mann – transferred to Davidson.
    L.A. Pomlee– kicked off team.
    Justin Hamilton – transfering

    2009 recruiting class: 4 signees, 0 defections (so far):

    TOTAL
    13 out of McDermott’s 21 recruited players (66%) did not complete their eligibility at Iowa State. Neither did the five players left over from the previous staff.


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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Seems like a trends more than just a 1 or two time occurrence.


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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    This should be of no surprise to anyone.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    That's unbelievable, when it hits you in black-and-white. I can't fathom JP saying the things about Gmac and "the right way" with this kind of record.
    Also, there is this urban legend going around that Gmac has improved the "academic culture" of the program - I have yet to see any evidence of that.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    What's the common denominator here?


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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blandboy View Post
    Excuse me if this has already been posted. I've tried to avoid anything about ISU basketball for fear of hurting something. Check out this piece of research turned in by "Snoop Dog" Ford:

    McDermott Defections

    Inherited players from Wayne Morgan:
    Tasheed Carr – Big 12 All-Bench Team as a freshman; transferred to St. Josephs and led team in scoring and assists senior year.
    Farnold Degand – redshirted; transferred to N.C. State.
    Mike Evanovich – transferred to Fairfield.
    Shawn Taggart – transferred to Memphis and started on team that played for national title.
    Ross Marsden – quit basketball.

    2006 recruiting class: 5 signees, 5 defections
    Dodie Dunson – transferred to Bradley.
    Cory Johnson – transferred to Valpraiso.
    Wesley Johnon – transferred to Syracuse; projected as lottery pick.
    Mike Taylor – kicked off team for disciplinary reasons; went on to play in NBA.
    Corey McIntosh – JUCO player played one year and transferred to Augustana, S.D.

    2007 recruiting class: 6 signees, 4 defections:
    Marcus Brister – left ISU and apparently vaporized.
    Lucca Staiger – left ISU mid-season to play professionally in Germany.
    Clayton Vette – project who transferred to Winona State.
    Craig Brackins – probably shouldn’t be counted as a defection, as he’s projected as a first-round draft choice leaving after his junior year.

    2008 recruiting class: 6 signees, 4 defections:
    Dominique Buckley – transferring for more playing time.
    Wes Eikmeier – transferred to Colorado State.
    Clinton Mann – transferred to Davidson.
    L.A. Pomlee – kicked off team.

    2009 recruiting class: 4 signees, 0 defections (so far):

    TOTAL
    13 out of McDermott’s 21 recruited players (62%) did not complete their eligibility at Iowa State. Neither did the five players left over from the previous staff.

    C'mon this is all just a string of really bad luck . . . . . Riiiiiiggggghhhhhtttt


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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    What about Hamilton?


    Don't confuse hope for a plan.

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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Quote Originally Posted by HiltonMagic View Post
    What about Hamilton?
    Good call. I amended my original post. That makes it 66% of recruits who didn't complete their eligibility in Ames.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    2006 - Alex Thompson was in this class. So it should be 6 signees rather than 5.

    2007 - not sure how to count Peterson and Haluska. Neither were scholarship players (although they may have been on scholarship after other scholarship players left), but they each had a significant amount of playing time. So, they should perhaps be counted as "signees." There was also Cameron Lee, who also was not on scholarship, and later defected.

    2008 - you are missing one of our non-defecting signees - either Christopherson or Vanderbeken.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    This is disturbing, and I'm suprised that JP put up with this for 2 years, let alone 4. I guess you have to stick by your pick huh?



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Quote Originally Posted by GoCubsGo View Post
    2006 - Alex Thompson was in this class. So it should be 6 signees rather than 5.

    2007 - not sure how to count Peterson and Haluska. Neither were scholarship players (although they may have been on scholarship after other scholarship players left), but they each had a significant amount of playing time. So, they should perhaps be counted as "signees." There was also Cameron Lee, who also was not on scholarship, and later defected.

    2008 - you are missing one of our non-defecting signees - either Christopherson or Vanderbeken.
    Good point about Thompson. And Peterson, Hawkluska, and Cameron Lee.

    Can't give you Vanderbeken or Christopherson, though. Jury is still out. They could leave at any minute.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    I'm not saying you don't have a point or this isn't a legitimate concern but I think some of this is slightly skewed.

    I would argue that only WJ and Taggart went to better programs. (with Carr and Dunson kind of tweeners). Some would argue WJ leaving is enough for concern-not saying I disagree with that.

    I don't think Brackins should be a negative for leaving early. If anything, he's a positive in the fact he stayed an extra year (sorry for him he did that).

    As far as Taylor, he had discipline issues that no one argued.

    Ham-big loss no way around that one.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blandboy View Post

    Can't give you Vanderbeken or Christopherson, though. Jury is still out. They could leave at any minute.
    I'm just talking about your heading. Right now you have: "2008 recruiting class: 6 signees, five defections."


    As of now, it should be 7 signees, five defections, because neither Vanderbeken nor Christopherson has defected. And if they haven't defected, then I think you need to include them in the denominator, even if it's possible that they could still defect. Otherwise it's kind of like saying "100% of the players that have defected, have defected." In theory Garrett and Boozer could still transfer (despite what Boozer said today), but you still include them in your denominator.



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    You're forgetting one Tyler Norman......now he was a walk-on GMac's first year......but he was asked to walk-on......got dis-enchanted apparently, and left ISU. He hitched up with UNLV later.....is a bench-warmer now on their NCAA team.

    Here is a link to his story.......doesn't exactly put GMac in a good light.
    As a Rebel, Tyler Norman rediscovers the joy of basketball - Las Vegas Sun



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    Re: ISU leads the Big 12 in turnover/retention margin

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryburn View Post
    You're forgetting one Tyler Norman......now he was a walk-on GMac's first year......but he was asked to walk-on......got dis-enchanted apparently, and left ISU. He hitched up with UNLV later.....is a bench-warmer now on their NCAA team.

    Here is a link to his story.......doesn't exactly put GMac in a good light.
    As a Rebel, Tyler Norman rediscovers the joy of basketball - Las Vegas Sun
    Just more data to further suggest something is seriously wrong at ISU with Greg in control. Can't change soon enough. One player after another with their second choice proving that it's not college MBB in general, but the way the program is ran compared to succesfull programs. ISU MBB is a joke.



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