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    Gilstrap, don't read this

    Playing for Creighton's first round foe in the CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament (CIT) (don't worry, I'd never heard of it either) is Steve Smith. Gilstrap might be interested in his play in six years. How do they make these decisions?
    Steve Smith's collegiate basketball career has come full circle with South Dakota's appearance in the CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament against Creighton.
    The 6-foot-11 center from Sioux Falls, S.D., began his career at Creighton in 2004. After two injury-plagued seasons in which he played a total of seven games, Smith transferred to South Dakota. He has played for four seasons with the Coyotes, including this season after the NCAA granted him a waiver for a sixth season of eligibility.


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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Because Texas didn't want him to have another year.


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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    The difference for Gilstrap is that he left school.

    If you are in school constantly, you get the 6th year.

    If you are out of school, you don't. It sucks for Strap, but the NCAA is being consistent and strictly following the rules on this one.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    What gets me is that the NCAA punishes Gilstrap for trying to support his kid.

    Oh well...it par for the course



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    The difference for Gilstrap is that he left school.

    If you are in school constantly, you get the 6th year.

    If you are out of school, you don't. It sucks for Strap, but the NCAA is being consistent and strictly following the rules on this one.
    Except for that wrestler from Iowa that left school for 10 years or something like that.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by 1100011CS View Post
    Except for that wrestler from Iowa that left school for 10 years or something like that.
    True. But he came back in DIII. I don't know if the rules are different for DIII, but I assumed they were. Or at least enforced differently.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    I think the bigger problem for Gilstrap was that his injury/rehab wasn't very well documented with doctor's visit notes and follow up appointments. Probably partly because of his junior college and partly because when he quit he probably didn't see the doctor all that often.




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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    The difference for Gilstrap is that he left school.

    If you are in school constantly, you get the 6th year.

    If you are out of school, you don't. It sucks for Strap, but the NCAA is being consistent and strictly following the rules on this one.

    no they didn't follow the rules, he had to ask for a waiver from the rules to get a 6th year. That is likely why they granted him the waiver(because he stayed in school) but they still had to waive the rules to allow him to play this year.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfinger View Post
    no they didn't follow the rules, he had to ask for a waiver from the rules to get a 6th year. That is likely why they granted him the waiver(because he stayed in school) but they still had to waive the rules to allow him to play this year.
    you are right. I should have said they followed long standing precedent.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    True. But he came back in DIII. I don't know if the rules are different for DIII, but I assumed they were. Or at least enforced differently.
    In DIII you get 10 semesters of eligibility but they don't have to be consecitive semesters, so you can take time off from school and your clock stops. In DI and DII you get 5 years from the day you start college.


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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneu View Post
    In DIII you get 10 semesters of eligibility but they don't have to be consecitive semesters, so you can take time off from school and your clock stops. In DI and DII you get 5 years from the day you start college.
    This all started because K-State had a guy that had been in the armed services and started college at 26. Really good player and everyone was so upset they made this rule.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneu View Post
    In DIII you get 10 semesters of eligibility but they don't have to be consecitive semesters, so you can take time off from school and your clock stops. In DI and DII you get 5 years from the day you start college.

    actually it is that way for DII also, which is what Upper Iowa is.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    What is frustrating is why this rule is still in place. It's truly archaic and needs to be changed.

    Why deny any college kid the oppty to use his bball skills to earn a scholarship and get an education? I honestly don't see any harm in a kid playing for 8 years on scholarship even if he missed a year.



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    Re: Gilstrap, don't read this

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBake View Post
    What is frustrating is why this rule is still in place. It's truly archaic and needs to be changed.

    Why deny any college kid the oppty to use his bball skills to earn a scholarship and get an education? I honestly don't see any harm in a kid playing for 8 years on scholarship even if he missed a year.

    I agree. It is all so a few people won't stockpile kids. There are a few bad apples out there and they make an example of them and what we are dealing with are the unintended consequences. Every time a rule is made other things happen that are not intended and they are too pigheaded to acknowledge that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cjclone View Post
    I agree. It is all so a few people won't stockpile kids. There are a few bad apples out there and they make an example of them and what we are dealing with are the unintended consequences. Every time a rule is made other things happen that are not intended and they are too pigheaded to acknowledge that.
    Still not sure what the downside would be. You still limit scholarships to 13.

    To me it also cuts in to appealing for eligibilty after an injury. I say if your injured and don't get to finish the season but want to try again the next year. Let em.



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