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    Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...ches-one-theme

    please merge if already posted, but I saw this on CR and thought it very appropriate.

    Read the last part of Keeler's article on Lickliter - specifically about the conversation he had with Lick about Butler and how he thought Lick's heart never left Butler.

    I have long thought that McD's heart never followed him to Ames from UNI, and I think that is one of the major problems he is having at ISU, and the reason he will never really find success here. His heart is just not in it.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

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    Keeler: Four Iowa basketball coaches, one theme | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register

    please merge if already posted, but I saw this on CR and thought it very appropriate.

    Read the last part of Keeler's article on Lickliter - specifically about the conversation he had with Lick about Butler and how he thought Lick's heart never left Butler.

    I have long thought that McD's heart never followed him to Ames from UNI, and I think that is one of the major problems he is having at ISU, and the reason he will never really find success here. His heart is just not in it.
    FACT: You could not be more wrong.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Yeah I dont question MAC's heart

    Brain maybe heart no


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHelgo View Post
    Keeler: Four Iowa basketball coaches, one theme | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register

    please merge if already posted, but I saw this on CR and thought it very appropriate.

    Read the last part of Keeler's article on Lickliter - specifically about the conversation he had with Lick about Butler and how he thought Lick's heart never left Butler.

    I have long thought that McD's heart never followed him to Ames from UNI, and I think that is one of the major problems he is having at ISU, and the reason he will never really find success here. His heart is just not in it.
    I would guarentee that McD wants to win more than anyone on this board. His heart is in it and you can see that with his players.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Yeah, I don't question McDermott's heart or desire to win here - it's just pretty clear at this point that he just doesn't know how.


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    [QUOTE=kg-cyclone;1609763]FACT: You could not be more wrong.[/QUOTE]

    This may very well be FACT, however the coaches heart does not often win games. At least not in this case.


    “It’s beyond pride. It’s a restored trust. There’s a confidence again, a passion that teeters on swagger. More than anything, (Iowa State head coach Paul Rhoads) has restored the Iowa State “it” factor, the steadfast belief that it is great to be a Cyclone...the man’s enthusiasm is genuine to the core...”
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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by erikbj View Post
    I would guarentee that McD wants to win more than anyone on this board. His heart is in it and you can see that with his players.
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    So what is it going to take to actually compete in the Big 12 which means win half the games and be solid at Hilton? Just what changes will be worth 5-10 more points differential that we foresee coming on the horizon.

    Right now we need a better overall gameplan, better finish to our offensive sets, better entry passing, more defending the perimeter, more players, more hard nose, better out of bound plays, better game finishes, better free throw shooting.


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    Lick also had a litany of problems that he needed to fix, but was he ever going to fix them adequately? How was he ever going to recruit? We will not know for now. So how fast can the new guy fix it?


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Yeah, I am going to have to pile on with everyone else here and say I have no question that his heart is in this. The guy looks just like I feel. He obviously cares, and he cares a lot. I think the issue is managing a different kind of player and dealing with the egos. That is something he didn't have at UNI, and he is struggling with it here. That is driving player turnover which is driving poor results on the floor.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    Yeah, I am going to have to pile on with everyone else here and say I have no question that his heart is in this. The guy looks just like I feel. He obviously cares, and he cares a lot. I think the issue is managing a different kind of player and dealing with the egos. That is something he didn't have at UNI, and he is struggling with it here. That is driving player turnover which is driving poor results on the floor.
    That's pretty accurate other than this...



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

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    Keeler: Four Iowa basketball coaches, one theme | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register

    please merge if already posted, but I saw this on CR and thought it very appropriate.

    Read the last part of Keeler's article on Lickliter - specifically about the conversation he had with Lick about Butler and how he thought Lick's heart never left Butler.

    I have long thought that McD's heart never followed him to Ames from UNI, and I think that is one of the major problems he is having at ISU, and the reason he will never really find success here. His heart is just not in it.
    I consider that pretty serious accusation to be throwing around with no evidence to back it up.


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    That's pretty accurate other than this...
    Than what is driving player turnover KG? I mean really, what is it? I have been on your "side" for a long time but these short little statements are worthless. Any time it is even said something may be Mac's fault or something he is responsible for you post some 5 word statement indicating it is not, yet you never bring any facts to say doesn't fall onto him. Somehow, somewhere, there is a mismanagement of player. Either he is recruiting the wrong guys or there is a disconnect when he gets here, I don't know. The players certainly do not feel a loyalty to him. Up to this point I was willing to call a lot of things luck. We have moved beyond bad luck and have moved to a trend. When things like this happen this often it is a pattern.


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    That's pretty accurate other than this...
    You are quick to point out something wrong with no explanation.

    Holy crap! I'm late. What he said.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Tough question, but too many different people have left for their own greener pastures.

    Could he be running the team as an aloof CEO and the players are then choosing just to switch jobs at another location?

    Is he truly involved in the players' lives or his he raising his own family and recruiting and does not have time to be rooted deep with some of the players?

    I only mention that Wayne was Dad to his players and maybe the young type of players we have want Dad types for coach.


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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Than what is driving player turnover KG? I mean really, what is it? I have been on your "side" for a long time but these short little statements are worthless. Any time it is even said something may be Mac's fault or something he is responsible for you post some 5 word statement indicating it is not, yet you never bring any facts to say doesn't fall onto him. Somehow, somewhere, there is a mismanagement of player. Either he is recruiting the wrong guys or there is a disconnect when he gets here, I don't know. The players certainly do not feel a loyalty to him. Up to this point I was willing to call a lot of things luck. We have moved beyond bad luck and have moved to a trend. When things like this happen this often it is a pattern.
    Excellent question...I don't have a definite answer for you. What I can tell you is that is not just ISU. The name on the jersey doesn't mean anything. I've talked to several people about this...Starting to spread to mid-major level also.

    Nothing personal...I give what I can.



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    Re: Article on Lick...last 3 paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Than what is driving player turnover KG? I mean really, what is it? I have been on your "side" for a long time but these short little statements are worthless. Any time it is even said something may be Mac's fault or something he is responsible for you post some 5 word statement indicating it is not, yet you never bring any facts to say doesn't fall onto him. Somehow, somewhere, there is a mismanagement of player. Either he is recruiting the wrong guys or there is a disconnect when he gets here, I don't know. The players certainly do not feel a loyalty to him. Up to this point I was willing to call a lot of things luck. We have moved beyond bad luck and have moved to a trend. When things like this happen this often it is a pattern.


    excellent post.



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