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    Juco vs High schooler

    I don;t understand why someone thinks low of Juco's. If it is a 5 or 4 star high schooler i would definitely take them, but if he is a 3 star or lower I would ponder if there is a juco around who is ranked top 5 in his position.

    Look at our past impact Joco players. Think of Vroman, Tinsley, Cato, Willoughby, you name it, all made us good teams.

    For high schoolers, the only one I can think of is Fizer. We had a couple of good high schooler on Morgan's team, but the team itself wasn't that good.

    So my conclusion: A top 5 juco is definitely better than a typical 3 star high schooler



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    I see your point, but you also didn't mention the 8 bazillion Juco's who totally washed out at ISU as well and really hurt the program.




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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Willoughby was not JUCO. Was at New Orleans with Floyd

    Neither was Cato now that I think about it. He went to South Alabama.


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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    The thing is, JUCO's have two years of college basketball experience (I know its not D1 experience) but, HIgh School players have ZERO years of experience.

    There should be no problem with JUCO's but we have to get the right ones



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    I think the overall quality of the JUCO ranks has dropped considerably in the past few years because of the increased Prep School presence. Players who would have gone 2 years to JUCO now go one year to a Prep School and still have 4 years of college eligibility.
    Corey McIntosh was a prime example - MVP of his JUCO conference and only a marginal D1 player.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    Willoughby was not JUCO. Was at New Orleans with Floyd

    Neither was Cato now that I think about it. He went to South Alabama.
    Willoughby transferred from Indian Hills Community College, although he didn't play there!!


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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    I just hate when coaches build their teams around Juco players. Eustachy ran the program like a hockey team, shifting new players in every two years. It usually takes a year for Juco's to learn a new system, then they have one year of productivity for the Clones and they're gone. Personally, I just prefer to see high school kids develop through the system for 3-4 years. I think it builds more team unity.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by psycln11 View Post
    Willoughby transferred from Indian Hills Community College, although he didn't play there!!
    So that doesn't make him a true JUCO. He played 2 years at New Orleans and went JUCO for grades reasons, not ball. I consider that a transfer



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by sdillon500 View Post
    I just hate when coaches build their teams around Juco players. Eustachy ran the program like a hockey team, shifting new players in every two years. It usually takes a year for Juco's to learn a new system, then they have one year of productivity for the Clones and they're gone. Personally, I just prefer to see high school kids develop through the system for 3-4 years. I think it builds more team unity.
    Isn't that what GC just did with the football team? I guess one could argue he had little time to recruit elsewhere....but hopefully won't turn into a every year thing.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    jucos are not bad, you do take more of a risk with them. we have had some success in the past and gotten a bunch of duds. but if were are just signing them as a backup i dont think it will hurt.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I see your point, but you also didn't mention the 8 bazillion Juco's who totally washed out at ISU as well and really hurt the program.
    I think it is important to have an actual understanding of the juco picture at ISU before making such a statement - I believe you will be surprised by how the facts don't match up with your perception.

    Taking into consideration juco players since 1990 at ISU here is a list relative to their contributions to the program (in alphabetical order)

    Positive impact:

    Bankhead, Bayless, Collins, Eaton, Horton, Hubalek, Nurse, Pratt, T. Pearson, Staple, Tinsley, Vroman

    Marginal positive impact:

    Barnes, Bynum, Evans, Hamilton

    Marginal negative impact:

    Curry, Faulkner, Hampton, CMac

    Negative impact:

    C. Alexander, T. King (I suppose you could also throw in CJ Bruton and the other small forward from Indian Hills that committed with Alexander but never made it to campus - I can't recall his name at this second).

    The real problem that ISU has relative to their current interior depth is the washout of High School Big Men such as Agnew, George, Marsden and Taggert - all of whom would be upperclassmen next year had they panned out. Common factor - all were recruited by the WM regime (along with Faulkner). When you add the losses of the guards recruited by WM that were on campus - Carr and Degand - it could be a lot worse so please don't automatically believe that JUCO = bad idea.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by klerme View Post
    C. Alexander, T. King (I suppose you could also throw in CJ Bruton and the other small forward from Indian Hills that committed with Alexander but never made it to campus - I can't recall his name at this second).
    Jerome Harper...ISU's second McDonalds All-American.


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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by psycln11 View Post
    Jerome Harper...ISU's second McDonalds All-American.
    Thanks - I was drawing a complete blank.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Man, you have really really good memory to spell all these names correctly!

    Quote Originally Posted by klerme View Post
    I think it is important to have an actual understanding of the juco picture at ISU before making such a statement - I believe you will be surprised by how the facts don't match up with your perception.

    Taking into consideration juco players since 1990 at ISU here is a list relative to their contributions to the program (in alphabetical order)

    Positive impact:

    Bankhead, Bayless, Collins, Eaton, Horton, Hubalek, Nurse, Pratt, T. Pearson, Staple, Tinsley, Vroman

    Marginal positive impact:

    Barnes, Bynum, Evans, Hamilton

    Marginal negative impact:

    Curry, Faulkner, Hampton, CMac

    Negative impact:

    C. Alexander, T. King (I suppose you could also throw in CJ Bruton and the other small forward from Indian Hills that committed with Alexander but never made it to campus - I can't recall his name at this second).

    The real problem that ISU has relative to their current interior depth is the washout of High School Big Men such as Agnew, George, Marsden and Taggert - all of whom would be upperclassmen next year had they panned out. Common factor - all were recruited by the WM regime (along with Faulkner). When you add the losses of the guards recruited by WM that were on campus - Carr and Degand - it could be a lot worse so please don't automatically believe that JUCO = bad idea.



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    Re: Juco vs High schooler

    Quote Originally Posted by chengyushen View Post
    Man, you have really really good memory to spell all these names correctly!
    Oh come on...He spelled out all the other last names then abbreviated CMac. Don't be so quick with the praise!! LOL


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