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    Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Just popped in my head and throwing it out there...

    With Iowa and Iowa St. having hired previously successful coaches of mid-major programs and enjoying similar results, I started wondering about why that might be. Could it be because at the major level they are dealing with a different type of athlete? Athletes with more talent and, therefore, more options? Athletes who are more apt to say,"OK, if you're going to treat me that way, I'm gone."

    Maybe McDermott and Lickliter got away with being hard-***** at the mid-major level because they were dealing with guys with fewer options and they both simply refused to adjust to the level of player they were dealing with when they took a step up.

    Don't roast me to death, it just popped into my head and I wanted to see what others thought.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    I think the biggest thing with the two Iowa coaches is that they never played or were an asst. at a high major before being a head coach at one.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    I think Gmac has suffered from a lack of street "cred", so to speak. When we hired Johnny Orr, he had name recognition and instant credibility because he'd had the 2nd best team in the country a few years earlier. I remember one of Wesley Johnson's relatives putting Greg down as just a former "Northern Iowa" coach. Very few guys want to play disciplined basketball anymore unless it's for a "name" coach. Most players at the mid-major level are probably more realistic about their abilities and future prospects. I think too that since we don't have that many in-state players to begin with, and the fact that we have to go out of state for most of our "talent", there's just not the loyalty there that some schools have. A lot of our recruits come because they think they'll be able to walk in and play pretty quickly. Kids just don't want to have to wait till their junior year anymore to start or play a lot of minutes. It's not a very good sign though when you have starters leaving your team like we've had.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    I'm not going to roast you. However, it seems to me that critics of the mbb program contradict themselves. After a loss, the message boards light up with posts about how GMAC doesn't show enough emotion and passion. Then when a player leaves, it is because GMAC is too hard on them. Still others are critical because they think he is babying the players to prevent further defections and they are not developing as players.

    GO CYCLONES!!!



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    I know very little about Lick. But Mac lacked the experence this level, never coached or played at this level. He also didnt have ties to places other than the midwest.


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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan View Post
    After a loss, the message boards light up with posts about how GMAC doesn't show enough emotion and passion.
    GO CYCLONES!!!
    Personally, I do not have a problem with Mac's gameday demeanor. I'd rather have a coach who is calm and collected than a raving lunatic.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by tim_redd View Post
    I think the biggest thing with the two Iowa coaches is that they never played or were an asst. at a high major before being a head coach at one.
    Didn't hurt Tim Floyd or Larry Eustachy



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Personally, I do not have a problem with Mac's gameday demeanor. I'd rather have a coach who is calm and collected than a raving lunatic.
    I agree but behind closed doors you've got to be able to light a fire, some players feed of off a coaches intensity. If a coach brings enough intensity during practice there shouldn't be a reason to go crazy on game days.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    Didn't hurt Tim Floyd or Larry Eustachy
    True, but Larry did spend a few years at Mississippi State as an assistant. I wonder what experience their assistants had as well.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    For every mid-major coach to fail, there's another that succeeds. I don't have the energy to put together a big list but Bill Self and Thad Matta for example.

    Most coaches have their first head job at a mid major before making the jump.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Anytime you hire a coach you're taking a risk and there's a lot of luck involved. It just seems like there is a lot more if you hire a somebody from a mid-major who doesn't have any bigger conference experience. If Mcdermott gets fired in the next couple of years I look for us to make more of a "safe" hire, whoever that may be.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    Didn't hurt Tim Floyd or Larry Eustachy
    LE was tutored by Bob Boyd, one of the best coaches in history.



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by Clone5 View Post
    Anytime you hire a coach you're taking a risk and there's a lot of luck involved. It just seems like there is a lot more if you hire a somebody from a mid-major who doesn't have any bigger conference experience. If Mcdermott gets fired in the next couple of years I look for us to make more of a "safe" hire, whoever that may be.

    That risk is even greater when you hire someone who doesn't have much post season experience, or came from a really good mid major. Lick is pretty good example of the latter, Butler was good before he took over and they are still good now. I think their last 3 or 4 coaches have moved no to jobs in power conferences and they haven't missed a beat. So either Butler has gotten lucky or the program was in a very good position in the first place (by Thad Matta).



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by deadeyededric View Post
    LE was tutored by Bob Boyd, one of the best coaches in history.
    And Tim Floyd by Don Haskins



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    Re: Throwing out a theory on mid-major coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd9046 View Post
    For every mid-major coach to fail, there's another that succeeds. I don't have the energy to put together a big list but Bill Self and Thad Matta for example.

    Most coaches have their first head job at a mid major before making the jump.
    +1

    Add Norm Stewart to the list.



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