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    question about nebraska

    as a hawkeye fan, I didn't follow Nebraska that much during their heyday in the 90s because they were in a different conference.

    I was looking at some old videos and some statistics from those seasons and one thing that stuck out to me was that guys like Tom Frazier or Scott Frost were deficient passers.

    It seemed like they always put up 50 points on everyone, even against legit teams like Florida. Is there a reason why teams wouldn't just blitz eight guys against them and force them to beat you passing?



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    Re: question about nebraska

    teams tried 9 in the box and didn't work. nebraska's o-line was similiar to Iowa's when they had Gallery, Steinbach, Nelson and co.....however they had that every year. Also chop blocking was not called back then.



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Unless you have great tacklers blitzing a power option isn't the best way to stop it. One missed tackle by a blitzer and you just have more open field in front of you.


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    Re: question about nebraska

    Ask Kirk Ferentz...Iowa played them in 1999 and lost 42-7. Iowa State's last loss to Nebraska that was worse than that was 1997.


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    Re: question about nebraska

    I don't think the term "deficient" is accurate at all in describing those quarterbacks in that system ... granted, if those guys were playing today in a more pro-style or spread attack, then it might be accurate ... even Jamal Lord, not even close to the quarterback that Frazier or Frost were, had the ability to hit a wide open receiver downfield (see 2002 game vs. ISU in Ames)


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    Re: question about nebraska

    As i (and others) have previously stated, when exectued, the triple option is absolutely unstoppable.

    Teams who don't execute it very well trick the common man into believing it is very stoppable.


    Opposite example: -ISU runs the spread-ISU has a poor offense- Therefore spread=sucks.. right?



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    Re: question about nebraska

    There are several factors that come into play. Most defenses stop the run by bringing one more guy than the offense can block at the point of attack. The option counters this by leaving the defender on the edge unblocked in addition to adding the QB as a running threat.

    The other issue is that most of those great Nebraska teams had a legitimate TE who could execute the deep seam route. If you tried to sneak a safety up too early, they would almost always recognize it and burn you with the deep pass to the TE which all of their QB's could deliver on target.



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    There are several factors that come into play. Most defenses stop the run by bringing one more guy than the offense can block at the point of attack. The option counters this by leaving the defender on the edge unblocked in addition to adding the QB as a running threat.

    The other issue is that most of those great Nebraska teams had a legitimate TE who could execute the deep seam route. If you tried to sneak a safety up too early, they would almost always recognize it and burn you with the deep pass to the TE which all of their QB's could deliver on target.
    I remember Jamaal Lord burning us on one of those in 2002, very early in the game, and he generally couldn't throw to save his life. He got that one right though.


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    Re: question about nebraska

    Those 90's Nebraska squads were some of the best college football teams ever assembled, particularly 94, 95 and 97.

    *They always had excellent defenses and special teams. You simply COULD not run on their D.
    *Their OL's were very talented and deep.
    *They always had a minimum of 2-3 great tailbacks that could go the distance on any given play.
    *They always had a very good FB, who would sneak several 5-10 yard runs in throughout the game which made you RESPECT the FB in their option.
    *Their QB's were always extremely athletic and had the option offense in their DNA. *Their QB's were always capable of hitting some open play action passes....think a more athletic version of Brad Banks.
    *Also, Tom Osborne had kept his system and most of the coaches (very experienced coaches) in place for a long time.



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    Those 90's Nebraska squads were some of the best college football teams ever assembled, particularly 94, 95 and 97.

    *They always had excellent defenses and special teams. You simply COULD not run on their D.
    *Their OL's were very talented and deep.
    *They always had a minimum of 2-3 great tailbacks that could go the distance on any given play.
    *They always had a very good FB, who would sneak several 5-10 yard runs in throughout the game which made you RESPECT the FB in their option.
    *Their QB's were always extremely athletic and had the option offense in their DNA. *Their QB's were always capable of hitting some open play action passes....think a more athletic version of Brad Banks.
    *Also, Tom Osborne had kept his system and most of the coaches (very experienced coaches) in place for a long time.
    For a running team, they always seemed to have some damned good WRs too. I could never figure out how they could recruit guys like Irving Fryar and others when they led the nation in rushing nearly every year.



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    Those 90's Nebraska squads were some of the best college football teams ever assembled, particularly 94, 95 and 97.

    *They always had excellent defenses and special teams. You simply COULD not run on their D.
    *Their OL's were very talented and deep.
    *They always had a minimum of 2-3 great tailbacks that could go the distance on any given play.
    *They always had a very good FB, who would sneak several 5-10 yard runs in throughout the game which made you RESPECT the FB in their option.
    *Their QB's were always extremely athletic and had the option offense in their DNA. *Their QB's were always capable of hitting some open play action passes....think a more athletic version of Brad Banks.
    *Also, Tom Osborne had kept his system and most of the coaches (very experienced coaches) in place for a long time.
    I hope they had a good team assembled considering they won the national championship those 3 years!



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Who was Tommy Frazier's only conference loss to? Easy question


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    Re: question about nebraska

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbahotep View Post
    Who was Tommy Frazier's only conference loss to? Easy question
    Starvin Marvin Seiler.


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    Re: question about nebraska

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    Starvin Marvin Seiler.
    Darn, i was going to say iowa state



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    Re: question about nebraska

    Frazier was like having Barry Sanders as your QB. It really wasn't fair.



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