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    It's all recruiting

    We're getting out-athleted by nearly all of the B12. aTm, Baylor, K-State and Tech used to be our whipping boys but that's all changed. Those rosters are no longer filled with bad players.

    Our guys would be in the top half of the big12 easily with this roster 4 or 5 season ago when the above teams had 1/3 the talent they do now.


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    Re: It's all recruiting

    It has been said before by a few posters, McDermotts inablity to recruit and keep quality guards has killed him in his tenure at Iowa State.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    On a positive note, a kid I play softball with who was a decent player in HS, not great, was just 'begged' to walk on...



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    What do we need softball players for?



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    I disagree. As I said in response to a similar post in another thread, we are being out-recruited AND out-coached. Those things are a bad combination.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by GoCubsGo View Post
    I disagree. As I said in response to a similar post in another thread, we are being out-recruited AND out-coached. Those things are a bad combination.
    Having good players beat's good coaching most of the time.


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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
    Having good players beat's good coaching most of the time.
    I don't necessarily disagree. However, even if we had top-3 talent in the B12, I would not trust McDermott to use it properly or have the ability to put that talent in a position to win.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Regarding our "talent," particularly in the backcourt, here's how we stack up against the rest of the big12.

    There are four teams with at least TWO McD's AA in the guard court: KU, TX, OU and BAY. In total, there are NINE McDs AA's guards in the big12 (James Anderson of OSU the last one).

    IMHO, there are 7 guards who are likely NBA draftees: Collins, Henry, Taylor (KU), Anderson (OSU), Warren, TMG (OU), and Bradley (TX).

    (Ironic that OU has two NBA draft picks in the guard court and they won't make the tourney.)

    Look at how good the guards are on teams who weren't McD's AA or likely NBA picks:
    Mizz: Tiller, English, Taylor, Denmon, Dixon (Elite eight last year)
    A&M: Sloan, Holmes, Roland, Harris (Roland out, but 4 straight ncaa's)
    KSU: Pullen, Clemente, McGruder (are there two better than pullen and clemente?)

    And lastly, both TTech and CU have PGs that could go off for 25+ any night (Roberson and Higgins).

    Sure, we have "talent." But in today's big12, we still have a long way to go.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    On a positive note, a kid I play softball with who was a decent player in HS, not great, was just 'begged' to walk on...
    Riiiiiight.

    We're begging for someone to walk on. I can see asking... but 'begged' sounds like an extreme exaggeration.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by brokenloginagain View Post
    Regarding our "talent," particularly in the backcourt, here's how we stack up against the rest of the big12.

    There are four teams with at least TWO McD's AA in the guard court: KU, TX, OU and BAY. In total, there are NINE McDs AA's guards in the big12 (James Anderson of OSU the last one).

    IMHO, there are 7 guards who are likely NBA draftees: Collins, Henry, Taylor (KU), Anderson (OSU), Warren, TMG (OU), and Bradley (TX).

    (Ironic that OU has two NBA draft picks in the guard court and they won't make the tourney.)

    Look at how good the guards are on teams who weren't McD's AA or likely NBA picks:
    Mizz: Tiller, English, Taylor, Denmon, Dixon (Elite eight last year)
    A&M: Sloan, Holmes, Roland, Harris (Roland out, but 4 straight ncaa's)
    KSU: Pullen, Clemente, McGruder (are there two better than pullen and clemente?)

    And lastly, both TTech and CU have PGs that could go off for 25+ any night (Roberson and Higgins).

    Sure, we have "talent." But in today's big12, we still have a long way to go.
    This is a fantastic post and show's the strides those "traditionally bad" programs have made. I think we are all guilty of still considering these teams the bottom feeders. They all have better players than us, especially in the back-court.


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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by dbronco7sc View Post
    Riiiiiight.

    We're begging for someone to walk on. I can see asking... but 'begged' sounds like an extreme exaggeration.
    I put it in quotes because those were his words.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    We need guards that can dribble and take a jump shot. Its easy to guard our guards, because everyone knows they are going to either go for layups or pass.

    We also need guards that can finish in one on one situation. We had least three occasion where our guards failed to score in one on one fast break situation.

    If we could add Mike Taylor/Curtis Stinson to this mix, now we are talking.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    I think we are as athletic as most teams in conference with are top 7, are guys just aren't as good of basektball players. We need to mix athleticism with guys who have a certain basektball skill set to make a team that can win games.



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    Re: It's all recruiting

    I think we should just start recruiting Queens again.


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    Re: It's all recruiting

    Isn't Wayne Morgan still on the ISU payroll? Maybe he can take a break from selling satellite dishes and help McDermott with recruiting some point guards.



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