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    How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Johnny Orr era (1980-94)

    Johnny Orr came to Iowa State from the University of Michigan in 1980. Iowa State's Athletics Director had called Orr to inquire about Michigan assistant Bill Frieder. When Orr learned of the salary Iowa State would offer Frieder, he negotiated the Iowa State head coaching job for himself. Orr is credited with building "Hilton Magic" and laying the foundation for Iowa State's success in men's basketball. A number of Cyclone greats played for Orr, such as Jeff Grayer, Barry Stevens, walk-on Jeff Hornacek, Lafester Rhodes, Justus Thigpen, Victor Alexander, Fred Hoiberg, Julius Michalik, and Loren Meyer, many of whom would go on to success in the NBA.
    Orr's first team (1980-81), led by junior forward Robert Estes (14.9 points per game, 6.7 rebounds per game) produced a lackluster 9-18 record. Freshman forward Ron Harris, whom Orr considered his first prominent Cyclone recruit, contributed per-game averages of 13.7 points and 5.9 rebounds.
    Led by sophomore Ron Harris and freshman recruit Barry Stevens of Flint, Michigan, Orr's 1981-82 team finished the season with a 10-17 overall record and a 5-9 record in Big Eight play. Harris gave the Cyclones 13.3 points per game, while Stevens contributed 13.0 points per game. Senior Robert Estes added 10.3 points per game.
    The Cyclones improved to a 13-15 overall record in the 1982-83 season, but again finished 5-9 in conference play. Many of the Cyclone faithful regard sophomore Barry Stevens' buzzer-beating shot against the 10th-ranked Missouri Tigers during the 1982-83 season as the foundational example of "Hilton Magic".[1] Stevens tallied per-game averages of 16.8 points and 5.2 rebounds for the season. Ron Harris contributed 14.3 points per game.
    Orr's 1983-84 team recorded the first winning season of his tenure at Iowa State and the first winning season for Cyclone basketball since Lynn Nance's 1977-78 team finished 14-13 with a 16-13 overall mark and a 6-8 record in conference play. The Cyclones played in the National Invitation Tournament (NIT), losing to Marquette in the first round. Junior forward Barry Stevens averaged 22.2 points per game on the season. Seniors Terrence Allen and Ron Harris each averaged 11.0 points per game.
    Led by senior Barry Stevens and freshman forward Jeff Grayer, natives of Flint, Michigan known at Iowa State as "The Flintstones," the 1984-85 Cyclones finished tied for third in conference play (7-7) and 21-13 overall. Iowa State advanced to the NCAA Tournament for the first time under Orr and for just the second time in the history of the program. The Cyclones, the No. 13 seed in the Midwest Region, lost to No. 4 seed Ohio State by a score of 75-64. ISU managed to upset the 10th-ranked Kansas Jayhawks twice during the regular season. Barry Stevens averaged 21.7 points per game. Jeff Hornacek recorded 12.5 points per game, and freshman Jeff Grayer averaged 12.2 points and 6.5 rebounds on the season



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Orr took ove rone of the worst basketball programs ever and took them to the NIT in year 4.

    I would LOVE to find a coach who could take us to the NIT.

    Especially cuz Orr went to the NCAAs the year later.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by number1 View Post
    Johnny Orr era (1980-94)

    Johnny Orr came to Iowa State from the University of Michigan in 1980. Iowa State's Athletics Director had called Orr to inquire about Michigan assistant Bill Frieder. When Orr learned of the salary Iowa State would offer Frieder, he negotiated the Iowa State head coaching job for himself. Orr is credited with building "Hilton Magic" and laying the foundation for Iowa State's success in men's basketball. A number of Cyclone greats played for Orr, such as Jeff Grayer, Barry Stevens, walk-on Jeff Hornacek, Lafester Rhodes, Justus Thigpen, Victor Alexander, Fred Hoiberg, Julius Michalik, and Loren Meyer, many of whom would go on to success in the NBA.
    Orr's first team (1980-81), led by junior forward Robert Estes (14.9 points per game, 6.7 rebounds per game) produced a lackluster 9-18 record. Freshman forward Ron Harris, whom Orr considered his first prominent Cyclone recruit, contributed per-game averages of 13.7 points and 5.9 rebounds.
    Led by sophomore Ron Harris and freshman recruit Barry Stevens of Flint, Michigan, Orr's 1981-82 team finished the season with a 10-17 overall record and a 5-9 record in Big Eight play. Harris gave the Cyclones 13.3 points per game, while Stevens contributed 13.0 points per game. Senior Robert Estes added 10.3 points per game.
    The Cyclones improved to a 13-15 overall record in the 1982-83 season, but again finished 5-9 in conference play. Many of the Cyclone faithful regard sophomore Barry Stevens' buzzer-beating shot against the 10th-ranked Missouri Tigers during the 1982-83 season as the foundational example of "Hilton Magic".[1] Stevens tallied per-game averages of 16.8 points and 5.2 rebounds for the season. Ron Harris contributed 14.3 points per game.
    Orr's 1983-84 team recorded the first winning season of his tenure at Iowa State and the first winning season for Cyclone basketball since Lynn Nance's 1977-78 team finished 14-13 with a 16-13 overall mark and a 6-8 record in conference play. The Cyclones played in the National Invitation Tournament (NIT), losing to Marquette in the first round. Junior forward Barry Stevens averaged 22.2 points per game on the season. Seniors Terrence Allen and Ron Harris each averaged 11.0 points per game.
    Led by senior Barry Stevens and freshman forward Jeff Grayer, natives of Flint, Michigan known at Iowa State as "The Flintstones," the 1984-85 Cyclones finished tied for third in conference play (7-7) and 21-13 overall. Iowa State advanced to the NCAA Tournament for the first time under Orr and for just the second time in the history of the program. The Cyclones, the No. 13 seed in the Midwest Region, lost to No. 4 seed Ohio State by a score of 75-64. ISU managed to upset the 10th-ranked Kansas Jayhawks twice during the regular season. Barry Stevens averaged 21.7 points per game. Jeff Hornacek recorded 12.5 points per game, and freshman Jeff Grayer averaged 12.2 points and 6.5 rebounds on the season
    Those teams kept improving, in the 4th year, they went to the NIT, the next year an NCAA Tournament.....Right now we are nowhere close to that, Those 2 games (UNI and Northwestern)that everyone said were "decent losses", have now come back to hurt us....instead of 13-10, we'd be sitting at 15-8 ....Also those teams took heed to the term home court advantage....This team can barely keep teams like Colorado, Houston, and North Dakota State from coming away with a W......The 81-82 team won half of its games in conference....We haven't won half of our conference games since the days of Morgan-Ball....



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by number1 View Post
    Johnny Orr era (1980-94)

    Johnny Orr came to Iowa State from the University of Michigan in 1980. Iowa State's Athletics Director had called Orr to inquire about Michigan assistant Bill Frieder. When Orr learned of the salary Iowa State would offer Frieder, he negotiated the Iowa State head coaching job for himself. Orr is credited with building "Hilton Magic" and laying the foundation for Iowa State's success in men's basketball. A number of Cyclone greats played for Orr, such as Jeff Grayer, Barry Stevens, walk-on Jeff Hornacek, Lafester Rhodes, Justus Thigpen, Victor Alexander, Fred Hoiberg, Julius Michalik, and Loren Meyer, many of whom would go on to success in the NBA.
    Orr's first team (1980-81), led by junior forward Robert Estes (14.9 points per game, 6.7 rebounds per game) produced a lackluster 9-18 record. Freshman forward Ron Harris, whom Orr considered his first prominent Cyclone recruit, contributed per-game averages of 13.7 points and 5.9 rebounds.
    Led by sophomore Ron Harris and freshman recruit Barry Stevens of Flint, Michigan, Orr's 1981-82 team finished the season with a 10-17 overall record and a 5-9 record in Big Eight play. Harris gave the Cyclones 13.3 points per game, while Stevens contributed 13.0 points per game. Senior Robert Estes added 10.3 points per game.
    The Cyclones improved to a 13-15 overall record in the 1982-83 season, but again finished 5-9 in conference play. Many of the Cyclone faithful regard sophomore Barry Stevens' buzzer-beating shot against the 10th-ranked Missouri Tigers during the 1982-83 season as the foundational example of "Hilton Magic".[1] Stevens tallied per-game averages of 16.8 points and 5.2 rebounds for the season. Ron Harris contributed 14.3 points per game.
    Orr's 1983-84 team recorded the first winning season of his tenure at Iowa State and the first winning season for Cyclone basketball since Lynn Nance's 1977-78 team finished 14-13 with a 16-13 overall mark and a 6-8 record in conference play. The Cyclones played in the National Invitation Tournament (NIT), losing to Marquette in the first round. Junior forward Barry Stevens averaged 22.2 points per game on the season. Seniors Terrence Allen and Ron Harris each averaged 11.0 points per game.
    Led by senior Barry Stevens and freshman forward Jeff Grayer, natives of Flint, Michigan known at Iowa State as "The Flintstones," the 1984-85 Cyclones finished tied for third in conference play (7-7) and 21-13 overall. Iowa State advanced to the NCAA Tournament for the first time under Orr and for just the second time in the history of the program. The Cyclones, the No. 13 seed in the Midwest Region, lost to No. 4 seed Ohio State by a score of 75-64. ISU managed to upset the 10th-ranked Kansas Jayhawks twice during the regular season. Barry Stevens averaged 21.7 points per game. Jeff Hornacek recorded 12.5 points per game, and freshman Jeff Grayer averaged 12.2 points and 6.5 rebounds on the season
    Looks like pretty good progress to me. What was the question again?



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    I don't see the point in this ..Why would anyone have wanted to fired Orr? He took over a TERRIBLE basketball program and after four years had slight progress.


    Seriously, we almost went to the final four in 2000, and ISU has been to the tournament 12 times since Orr took over. Between 1985 and 2005 it was 12 times. That's more than once every other year.

    Also Orr took us to the NIT in his fourth year, so....do you think we'll make the NIT this year? Hey, we have the ability to, but I haven't seen how we'll get there lately.



    Comparing Johnny's fourth year to McDermott's is just laughable.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Not a good comparison.

    Orr improved on his predecessors.

    Mcdermott's program has had less success than each of his predecessors. His immediate predecessor was fired, and he won more conference games in 3 years than GM will in 4 years!

    Orr did not have crippling player retention issues.

    Orr had a proven track record of success at this level.

    Orr also showed steady progress. GM has not.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    To be honest, all of you guys need to stop living in the glory days and the past. Orr, Floyd, LE, Morgan are all gone. Just stop bringing it up daily...



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Thread backfire.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    I would rather have progression than regression

    year 1 - produced a lackluster 9-18 record.
    year 2 - finished the season with a 10-17 overall record and a 5-9 record in Big Eight play.

    year 3- finished 14-13 — with a 16-13 overall mark and a 6-8 record in conference play.

    year 4 - finished tied for third in conference play (7-7) and 21-13 overall.


    then look at Mcd's....your posts does not hold water


    year 1 - 6-12
    year 2 - 4-12
    Year 3 - 4-12
    Year 4 - Possibly 3-13

    Fixed it


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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    yeah not a fair comparison. we have expectations now that we didn't when we hired Orr.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Number 1...point I made is he added wins as he went through his years...a NCAA bid in year 5...Comparring Orr to Mcd is foolish. Like Compaing Rhoads to Cheesedick



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave19642006 View Post
    I would rather have progression than regression

    year 1 - produced a lackluster 9-18 record.
    year 2 - finished the season with a 10-17 overall record and a 5-9 record in Big Eight play.

    year 3- finished 14-13 with a 16-13 overall mark and a 6-8 record in conference play.

    year 4 - finished tied for third in conference play (7-7) and 21-13 overall.


    then look at Mcd's....your posts does not hold water


    year 1 - 4-12
    year 2 - 2-16
    Year 3 - 2-16

    Year 4 - Possibly 3-13
    Those aren't right.


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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Those aren't right.

    No kidding thats way off... His coaching record in the Big 12 is 16-40 lifetime.. A LOT better than that.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Orr took over a horrible program with one winning season in the previous six years. Also, in his third year, Orr beat two ranked opponents. He made it to the NIT by his 4th season, and then the NCAA tourney 4 of the next 5 years after that.

    Orr showed steady improvement the first 4 years, GMac has not. Also, Orr brought an excitement to Hilton with his personality, and the style of play. The fans got into it and created the "Hilton Magic".

    The program GMac took over was a much more established and successful program than the one Orr took over from Lynn Nance and Ken Trickey.



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    Re: How many would have wanted Orr replaced after 4 years

    Are you serious? You couldn't have seen Nance coached basketball and ask this question. Orr had to fix a complete train wreck.



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