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    Past Centers

    I was thinking of the Centers who played during the "Hilton Magic" era of Orr-Floyd-Eustachy who all went on and had time as Pros. Which was prompted by the fact that during the Morgan-McDermott regime's, the Center position hasn't been anything special. My list from the 'glory" years": Victor Alexander, Loren Meyer, Cato, Jackson Vroman, Jared Homan, Paul Shirley. Sam Hill was good too, but I do not think he went on. Maybe the real reason success has eluded the Cyclones in recent years is the lack of inside defensive presence and a rebound machine. Anybody know what the six Centers mentioned are doing today?



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    Re: Past Centers

    I'd be inclined to go with the guards as the key. When the Cyclones have had a great one/two combo at the guard spots, they have succeeded.



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    Re: Past Centers

    Agreed. The reasons those centers were able to succeed was because of our guards. I like our players just as much as the next guy, but out 1's and 2's are weak compared to what we have had.


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    Re: Past Centers

    Tim Floyd used to say a team is only as good as its point guard, in college basketball guard play is the true key to success


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    Re: Past Centers

    I do not disagree with your asessment of the point guard position in college ball. But during that era we had several Centers get a taste of the Pro's and how many guard's? Hoiberg & Tinsley?



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    Re: Past Centers

    You don't need to have a guard that will be good in the pro's just one's that are good in college. ISU's best teams have had good college guards that can handle pressure defense. I do think that Colvin can be this. Good guards help make your average big men good.


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    Re: Past Centers

    Quote Originally Posted by swiacy View Post
    I do not disagree with your asessment of the point guard position in college ball. But during that era we had several Centers get a taste of the Pro's and how many guard's? Hoiberg & Tinsley?
    Thigpen and Bayless were at great duo at guard. Terry Woods was also a good college point guard under Johnny. Jacy Holloway is vastly underrated as a college point guard. We was perfect for Floyd's system. He had no ego, didn't care if he scored, Jacy was only interested in winning.



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    Re: Past Centers

    Quote Originally Posted by swiacy View Post
    I do not disagree with your asessment of the point guard position in college ball. But during that era we had several Centers get a taste of the Pro's and how many guard's? Hoiberg & Tinsley?
    Will Blalock, Jeff Grayer, Jeff Hornacek, Barry Stevens, Dedric Willoughby and Mike Taylor could be added to that list. Taylor would be a stretch.


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    Re: Past Centers

    Don't forget about Jiri Hubalek, Julius Michalik, Tony Rampton and the ever scoring machine monster Skoglund, Andrew. I think all but Skoglund played some pro ball.


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    Re: Past Centers

    Homan played for Morgan. Jiri was a nice player his Sr year.


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    Re: Past Centers

    Quote Originally Posted by clones11 View Post
    Tim Floyd used to say a team is only as good as its point guard, in college basketball guard play is the true key to success
    This!



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    Re: Past Centers

    Quote Originally Posted by swiacy View Post
    I was thinking of the Centers who played during the "Hilton Magic" era of Orr-Floyd-Eustachy who all went on and had time as Pros. Which was prompted by the fact that during the Morgan-McDermott regime's, the Center position hasn't been anything special. My list from the 'glory" years": Victor Alexander, Loren Meyer, Cato, Jackson Vroman, Jared Homan, Paul Shirley. Sam Hill was good too, but I do not think he went on. Maybe the real reason success has eluded the Cyclones in recent years is the lack of inside defensive presence and a rebound machine. Anybody know what the six Centers mentioned are doing today?
    I'm not 100% but weren't Vroman, Homan and Shirley listed as Forwards?


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    Re: Past Centers

    Probably the biggest waste of talent (or potential talent) was Chris Alexander. Played for a short time at ISU during Eustachy's time in Ames. Had a stretch in the D-league a couple years back. I remember seeing over a 10 game stretch in the D-League where he was averaging 8 ppg (not anything special) but 17.5 rpg and he was only logging 28 minutes a night...



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    Re: Past Centers

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBake View Post
    I'm not 100% but weren't Vroman, Homan and Shirley listed as Forwards?
    In my opinion it's just semantics. Especially in the past 12 years or so with how the game is played. There are few "true centers". Guys like Cole Aldrich, Justin Hamilton or Dexter Pittman would qualify by definition, imo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    In my opinion it's just semantics. Especially in the past 12 years or so with how the game is played. There are few "true centers". Guys like Cole Aldrich, Justin Hamilton or Dexter Pittman would qualify by definition, imo.
    Yeah, that's where I'm at. Aldrich is a true Center but we've had hybrid centers if you go textbook on the definition.


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