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    Business Degrees

    I was visting with a friend of mine who is professor at UNI. We started talking about my business and how we're always looking for good people. I told him many times my company likes to hire people who have been out in the work force at least 5 to 10 years because a lot of maturing and school of hard knocks stuff has occured to make them a better worker. He looked at me with a straight face and said, you'll never have that problem with a UNI graduate. We train them too well.

    I almost laughed in his face, but he's too good a friend and I didn't really say anything. I think he really believed what he was saying, but he obviously an academic who's never worked in the real world. UNI has a fine business school, but they're not that good. A green kid out of Business college is a green kid wether it be UNI, ISU, or Iowa.

    Fact of the matter is some of the most successful business people I've ever worked with do not have degrees. I've met several disaster of businessmen who have degrees from Harvard.

    I'm just curious what other business people out there observe. Does degree or school you went to make much difference to your company?


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    Green is green is green. It doesn't matter what college you are from. You don't learn certain things in college you need in reality. Some kids will come out and be ready to go, but it's not the classroom that prepared them. It is their personality and upbringing along with how they were raised socially. The thing is, I could walk into a college classroom and probably give you the top 3 or 4 kids in terms of their readiness for the real world. Most of the others will catch up, they will just learn some stuff the hard way.

    Once again, which college they come from doesn't matter.


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    A "good" school helps you get a foot in the door - our company only interviews from certain schools. But once you're in the door, your school makes no difference.



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    What businesses are you guys in?


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    Re: Business Degrees

    I graduated from ISU with a degree in Business Management. I attended UNI for a year in before transferring to ISU. Having experienced both schools I would say ISU is on par if not a little better than UNI. JMHO. I now own and operate a small business and I can honestly tell you that most of what I learned about business while in school hasn't applied to what I do everyday as a business owner. I was a good student and I don't want to say it was a waste of time to go to school but being a good business person comes from real world experience not from a classroom.



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    Re: Business Degrees

    I dont have a business degree, but I learned more in the first 6 months working after college than 4 years of college.



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    It depends on what the skillset is that you are looking for. For task oriented jobs, he may have a point. If critical thinking skills and common sense is necessary, then there is no substitute for experience.

    Their Accounting program is one of the best in the county. You can employ a UNI grad and know they will hit the ground running with minimal training. (been told this from my accounting friends) Not the case with ISU grads. As for management majors, there's no way in heck they could hit the ground running. In management, there's no substitute for experience.

    Maybe your friend is in the accounting dept?


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    It's not just business. I learned more about engineering after working for a year than I did in my 5 years at ISU. In high school, I learned more German during my 2 week student exchange than during the nearly four years of classroom instruction.

    In both cases, though, the years of formal education provided the foundation that allowed me to learn quickly once I was "in the shark tank."


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    Quote Originally Posted by usedcarguy View Post
    Maybe your friend is in the accounting dept?
    Actually he teaches real estate...



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    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Green is green is green. It doesn't matter what college you are from. You don't learn certain things in college you need in reality. Some kids will come out and be ready to go, but it's not the classroom that prepared them. It is their personality and upbringing along with how they were raised socially. The thing is, I could walk into a college classroom and probably give you the top 3 or 4 kids in terms of their readiness for the real world. Most of the others will catch up, they will just learn some stuff the hard way.

    Once again, which college they come from doesn't matter.
    If green is green, how come businesses seem willing to pay up to six figures for hotshot MBA grads who also have just come from college? Okay, so maybe they have had an intern as part of their MBA training, but nowadays even ugs get some experience as interns in a lot of schools. So, I repeat, why are green grads paid so much as starters??



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitkat View Post
    If green is green, how come businesses seem willing to pay up to six figures for hotshot MBA grads who also have just come from college? Okay, so maybe they have had an intern as part of their MBA training, but nowadays even ugs get some experience as interns in a lot of schools. So, I repeat, why are green grads paid so much as starters??
    The same reason the pros draft talented kids 2-3 years before they will be productive.



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    Quote Originally Posted by usedcarguy View Post
    It depends on what the skillset is that you are looking for. For task oriented jobs, he may have a point. If critical thinking skills and common sense is necessary, then there is no substitute for experience.

    Their Accounting program is one of the best in the county. You can employ a UNI grad and know they will hit the ground running with minimal training. (been told this from my accounting friends) Not the case with ISU grads. As for management majors, there's no way in heck they could hit the ground running. In management, there's no substitute for experience.

    Maybe your friend is in the accounting dept?
    My wife was an accounting major at both UNI and ISU and really couldn't tell a difference.




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    Quote Originally Posted by usedcarguy View Post
    It depends on what the skillset is that you are looking for. For task oriented jobs, he may have a point. If critical thinking skills and common sense is necessary, then there is no substitute for experience.

    Their Accounting program is one of the best in the county. You can employ a UNI grad and know they will hit the ground running with minimal training. (been told this from my accounting friends) Not the case with ISU grads. As for management majors, there's no way in heck they could hit the ground running. In management, there's no substitute for experience.

    Maybe your friend is in the accounting dept?
    I am in the accounting field and the reason everyone thinks UNI is such a good accounting school is because they spoon feed them what they need to know to pass the CPA exam and they are able to take a CPA review course as a UNI class. This is not the case at ISU, I asked an accounting professor and was told by them that ISU is not allowed to do this because ISU is an accredited institution whereas UNI is not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    I am in the accounting field and the reason everyone thinks UNI is such a good accounting school is because they spoon feed them what they need to know to pass the CPA exam and they are able to take a CPA review course as a UNI class. This is not the case at ISU, I asked an accounting professor and was told by them that ISU is not allowed to do this because ISU is an accredited institution whereas UNI is not.
    The review course is not the difference. Many look at that class as a chance to cruise for that last semester. But regardless it can't hurt. A friend of mine said the professor he had for his CPA law class at UNI intentionally made his tests more difficult than the law portion of the CPA exam. He got a C in that class but breezed thru that part of the exam. He also said there was an easier section as well, and that there were some very tough professors available if you really wanted to push yourself.

    He routinely hires both ISU and UNI accounting grads and over the years has generally found that the UNI grads far better prepared, although there have certainly been exceptions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JRE1975 View Post
    The same reason the pros draft talented kids 2-3 years before they will be productive.
    So I assume that these salaries are only for those very top draft picks from the best schools in the MBA lottery, correct? Thanks for the response



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