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    Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Everyone I have heard on espn and other sports talk shows have nothing but praise for this guy Orgeron. After reading this article, dude just sounds like a slimeball. Welcome to big time college athletics right?

    Orgeron contacted Vols recruits before going to USC - Sporting News staff reports - College Football - Sporting News



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Stay classy, Big Ed, stay classy!



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    The guy is one of the best recruiters in the game, but is definately a slimeball.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Good for Orgeron! People tend to forget, these players have not officially signed on the dotted line yet to play for Tennessee and also, they were his recruits to begin with! Many players go to a school to a.) play for a particular coach or coaches, b.) get playing time and T.V. time and c.) give them the best opportunity to make it to the next level in the NFL. A majority of the players now committing to other schools have one thing in common and that is they are all defensive players. That means they were going to play for Tennessee b/c they would have played for a coach like Monte Kiffin! It doesn't matter that they were at Tennessee, the coach matters. So, I wasn't mad at Chizdik when many players left ISU and followed him to Auburn when he left and I am sure as heck not judging any of the new USC coaching staff, including Orgeron, for calling their original recruits to now attend USC!

    Until they sign on the dotted line, it is not poaching and all are fair game!!!!



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    So, I wasn't mad at Chizdik when many players left ISU and followed him to Auburn when he left and I am sure as heck not judging any of the new USC coaching staff, including Orgeron, for calling their original recruits to now attend USC!

    Until they sign on the dotted line, it is not poaching and all are fair game!!!!


    I don't remember alot of players leaving ISU to follow Chiz to Auburn...Did anybody?



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Quote Originally Posted by dualforce View Post
    I don't remember alot of players leaving ISU to follow Chiz to Auburn...Did anybody?

    Quite honestly, I don't know. I have pushed those two years to the back of my memory to never return. I do remember a lot of posts on here about Chizdik and poaching players though and that is what I was getting at in my first post.

    If a player decides to leave b/c the coaches leave, good for him, no hard feelings and same goes for the recruiter that went after that certain player. If the recruiter (Orgeron) recuited that player, then he has every right to contact him and let him know he is leaving that certain school and if the player wants to follow, good for him and no hard feelings on either side.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Like Golic said on Mike & Mike this morning...everyone of those recruits were being called by coaches of other programs as soon as the news broke that Kiffin was leaving. It is just the business...not going to change and everyone does it. Why wouldn't these coaches want to bring the talent they recruited with them? It is slimy...but that is the way it is.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Quote Originally Posted by bootcy View Post
    The guy is one of the best recruiters in the game, but is definately a slimeball.
    See the connection?



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Student-athletes should be given the opportunity to leave without penalty once their coach leaves. I understand they are committed to the university but anyone with a brain knows thats not likely the case.

    Post #400!



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Press conferences at USC yesterday were interesting.
    Kiffin, Orgeron and Garrett were asked about UT recruits being called and encouraged to change commitments and for early UT enrollees not to go to class since that would make it harder for them to transfer.
    Kiffin replied that he had not talked to any of the UT recruits and that he didn't have any knowledge of calls being made.
    Orgeron said he had talked to some of the UT recruits to "let them know what was going on."
    Neither Orgeron nor Garrett would address exactly what was said in the calls saying "they didn't want to go into that".
    Looks like USC traded "I don't know anything about that" Carroll for "I have no knowledge of that" Kiffin.
    I used to have much respect for Monte Kiffin, great defensive coach and, I thought, a stand-up guy. Now he just looks like an enabler for his slimeball son and the sleazy group he's assembled. Glad Monte never came back to the Big 12 now.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Quote Originally Posted by superman_101680 View Post
    Student-athletes should be given the opportunity to leave without penalty once their coach leaves. I understand they are committed to the university but anyone with a brain knows thats not likely the case.

    Post #400!
    So, if ISU were to lose their head coach again, you would like it if every one of our current players could leave without penalty?

    That would be a death sentence for any school that is not one of the top 25 programs. Imagine if all of ISUs best players would have left with Chizik last year. It would be devastating and set back the program many many years.

    With the current rules, if you have multiple years of eligibility left and you want to leave, you have to sit out one year (unless its in the same conference). Any program that had their coach take a better job would potentially have all of their senior starters leave without penalty. Thats ridiculous.

    As it is, if a newly recruited freshman wanted to follow their coach, they could just end up transfering and losing one year. They would then have the opportunity to play two full years at another school. I don't think that is completely unfair.

    To say that the penalties could be lessened with a coaching change is one thing. To say that there should be no penalties is stupid.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    While it stinks from the perspective of Tennessee fans, I can understand why a recruit might want to change their commitment.
    Right now the Tenn. recruits have no idea who their coaches are going to be, what system they will be running...



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    There was an Ed Orgeron song on youtube a few years back when he was head coach at Ole' Miss. Basically made fun of the fact he can't speak English. Couldn't find it, but it was pretty funny.


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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Quote Originally Posted by superman_101680 View Post
    Student-athletes should be given the opportunity to leave without penalty once their coach leaves. I understand they are committed to the university but anyone with a brain knows thats not likely the case.

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    You are talking about recruits who haven't signed yet, right? Because the signature binds them to the school, not the coach.

    Can you imagine how crazy things would be if Mike Leach could just port all of his TT players over to any school that hired him, totally without penalty?

    As hilarious as that scenario would be, Im just a touch skeptical that it would actually be something that benefits the NCAA or the college football fan!

    I'm picturing Nick Saban porting next year's Alabama roster to Notre Dame after some mega-booster tosses 20 million to buy out Kelly and 75 trillion to woo Saban. Or San Diego State purchasing the Texas Longhorns.



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    Re: Orgeron Poaching UT recruits & players

    Orgeron has the weirdest voice I've ever heard---watching him on the movie "Blind Side" was pretty hard to do...Not sure how he can recruit players with his raspy voice but he has always done well with it...



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