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    Hating Coaches

    The more and more I see it, the less hatred I feel for those who do it. Coaches are leaving their current jobs for greener pastures, and those teams who are left behind are always angry at them.

    Im not sure why fans are so disgusted with them? They have no real obligation to their team (chizik) yet when they are offered their dream job and accept, they are hated. I use the term "hated" loosely because they aren't really hated by anyone who isn't directly involved. For instance, do you hate lane kiffin for leaving tennessee to take over the winningest program in the last decade- a job he called his "dream job"? No, you shouldn't.

    I'd be willing to bet less than 1% of the college football world cared when chizik went to auburn. Did they feel bad for isu? No.

    Coaches are simply making a business deal. Coaching college football is a big money profession with opportunities continually knocking. Sooner or later a guy like tom herman will leave to go to be the head coach somewhere, and all of us fans are going to be ******. I ask you guys, why the anger? They aren't turning their backs on us... In fact, if anything they should be ****** at us for not paying them what they deserve.



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Fans who hate coaches for leaving are idiots. If McDermott had left us for Kansas or UCLA after his first season, everyone would have hated him for it. Now most of those same fans want him fired. Fans and most AD's (like ours) don't show any loyalty to coaches, so they don't deserve any loyalty in return.


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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by MontyBurns View Post
    Fans who hate coaches for leaving are idiots. If McDermott had left us for Kansas or UCLA after his first season, everyone would have hated him for it. Now most of those same fans want him fired. Fans and most AD's (like ours) don't show any loyalty to coaches, so they don't deserve any loyalty in return.
    Its all situations and the levels of success a coach is having...



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by MontyBurns View Post
    Fans who hate coaches for leaving are idiots. If McDermott had left us for Kansas or UCLA after his first season, everyone would have hated him for it. Now most of those same fans want him fired. Fans and most AD's (like ours) don't show any loyalty to coaches, so they don't deserve any loyalty in return.
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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    The more and more I see it, the less hatred I feel for those who do it. Coaches are leaving their current jobs for greener pastures, and those teams who are left behind are always angry at them.

    Im not sure why fans are so disgusted with them? They have no real obligation to their team (chizik) yet when they are offered their dream job and accept, they are hated. I use the term "hated" loosely because they aren't really hated by anyone who isn't directly involved. For instance, do you hate lane kiffin for leaving tennessee to take over the winningest program in the last decade- a job he called his "dream job"? No, you shouldn't.

    I'd be willing to bet less than 1% of the college football world cared when chizik went to auburn. Did they feel bad for isu? No.

    Coaches are simply making a business deal. Coaching college football is a big money profession with opportunities continually knocking. Sooner or later a guy like tom herman will leave to go to be the head coach somewhere, and all of us fans are going to be ******. I ask you guys, why the anger? They aren't turning their backs on us... In fact, if anything they should be ****** at us for not paying them what they deserve.
    This is where the disconnect comes from. This is a business for the coaches. It is a passion for the fans. Big difference there.



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonenum1 View Post
    This is where the disconnect comes from. This is a business for the coaches. It is a passion for the fans. Big difference there.
    True. I was never mad at Chiz for leaving. I was mad at the way he brushed off the players.



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by MontyBurns View Post
    Fans who hate coaches for leaving are idiots. If McDermott had left us for Kansas or UCLA after his first season, everyone would have hated him for it. Now most of those same fans want him fired. Fans and most AD's (like ours) don't show any loyalty to coaches, so they don't deserve any loyalty in return.

    Fans for sure are a fickle bunch.


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    Re: Hating Coaches

    I agree, coaches are expected to be loyal to a system that has no loyalty to them. While I don't like what guys like Kiffin, Kelly, etc... have done I can't really blame them. Fans just want to have something to hate, I mean I don't really understand the hatred that Chizik still gets. Are any ISU fans not happier with the way things turned out anyway?



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    I agree, coaches are expected to be loyal to a system that has no loyalty to them. While I don't like what guys like Kiffin, Kelly, etc... have done I can't really blame them. Fans just want to have something to hate, I mean I don't really understand the hatred that Chizik still gets. Are any ISU fans not happier with the way things turned out anyway?
    Good post.

    I really don't get the Chizik hatred, either. I'm glad he did it. It worked out so much better for us than we ever imagined it could.


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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone06 View Post
    MontyBurns = Bruce Vandervelde.

    I am convinced!
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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    True. I was never mad at Chiz for leaving. I was mad at the way he brushed off the players.
    +1 on that. I couldn't really blame him for taking a better job, getting paid more in a better location for him. He just came off as a real sleazeball the way he did it. Especially after calling Bates a quitter and "being firmly entrenched in Ames."



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    I wouldn't really say that the coaches are the victims here. When a coach gets fired they usually get paid millions of dollars to buy out their contract. Sounds like a pretty good gig to me. When a coach decides to leave it really doesn't cost them anything. Sure there might be a buyout but they probably don't personally pay that.

    The people I feel for is the assistants who get left in the lurch by all the moving around.



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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Good post.

    I really don't get the Chizik hatred, either. I'm glad he did it. It worked out so much better for us than we ever imagined it could.
    With Gene at the helm directing traffic, we would not have won the Insight Bowl which is going up even more in status next year.


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    Re: Hating Coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    With Gene at the helm directing traffic, we would not have won the Insight Bowl which is going up even more in status next year.
    With Gene at the helm, we don't win at Nebraska, either. Really, we hardly win at all, Jesse Smith never goes All-Big 12 or National Defensive Player of the Week, and so much more that we all loved this year.


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    Re: Hating Coaches

    I don't hate Lane Kiffin for going to USC after only being at Tennessee for one season. I hate Lane Kiffin because he's an arrogant, narcissistic ********* who brags about firing people for no good reason (see the Sports Illustrated article written about a year ago or so at this time) and who has been given all these prime coaching gigs that he hasn't done one damn thing to earn. Not to mention his apparent pride at getting into trouble with the NCAA.

    Lane Kiffin is a vile POS. He doesn't only make college coaches look bad....he makes the human race look bad.



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