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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    I don't buy parts of his story, others I do. I would think that painkillers are dispersed pretty liberally at every college. I don't mean to sound like this is no huge deal, but I think it would be pretty naive to think this stuff is isolated. I would hate to guess the number of former college football players that are addicted to painkillers. Let alone the NFL


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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    I kind of suspect that ol' Pete didn't bail out just because he needed a change of pace. Perhaps there are some serious penalites coming on down the line for USC.


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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    I don't think you can have that successful of a football program in America. Some booster somewhere is paying someone they are not supposed to. Regardless how clean a coach may be. Some 18 year old broke as hell kid will take money from some rich guy. There is nothing you can do about it.


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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    I don't think you can have that successful of a football program in America. Some booster somewhere is paying someone they are not supposed to. Regardless how clean a coach may be. Some 18 year old broke as hell kid will take money from some rich guy. There is nothing you can do about it.
    SO you would say Florida is cheating and probably Texas too? I would say those teams have been more successful than USC over the last 5 years for sure. I am not arguing I just want to be clear.


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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    SO you would say Florida is cheating and probably Texas too? I would say those teams have been more successful than USC over the last 5 years for sure. I am not arguing I just want to be clear.
    I also disagree with that idea. By all accounts I think Brown and Meyer are running clean programs, and are lucky enough to be at schools where the prestige and resources "recruit themselves". I think Pete Carroll had the same situation going, but maybe was looking for the extra edge. There is also the possibility that he did not know some of the booster support was going on. I know it is hard to believe he didn't realize one of his players was driving a brand new Escalade or something of the like, but I suppose he shows up for practices and film everyday and goes home, and isn't out hanging out with his players checking up on what car their driving and how much cash is in their bank accounts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    I also disagree with that idea. By all accounts I think Brown and Meyer are running clean programs, and are lucky enough to be at schools where the prestige and resources "recruit themselves". I think Pete Carroll had the same situation going, but maybe was looking for the extra edge. There is also the possibility that he did not know some of the booster support was going on. I know it is hard to believe he didn't realize one of his players was driving a brand new Escalade or something of the like, but I suppose he shows up for practices and film everyday and goes home, and isn't out hanging out with his players checking up on what car their driving and how much cash is in their bank accounts.
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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    SO you would say Florida is cheating and probably Texas too? I would say those teams have been more successful than USC over the last 5 years for sure. I am not arguing I just want to be clear.
    there are lots of ways to cheat..



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    Don't fool yourself. There are a few skeleton's in their closests too...
    I agree, the difference is those guys are better in game coaches. They don't need to do that little extra. In Urbans case, he runs a unique offense so he can get away with having a little less all around talent on that side of the ball. In a Pro Style offense you have to have great talent a ll around. I really think that USC is going to be made an example of. I think the hammer will drop fairly hard here. I feel real bad for the recruits this year who were dead set on going there (Baxter) and now have no idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    I agree, the difference is those guys are better in game coaches. They don't need to do that little extra. In Urbans case, he runs a unique offense so he can get away with having a little less all around talent on that side of the ball. In a Pro Style offense you have to have great talent a ll around. I really think that USC is going to be made an example of. I think the hammer will drop fairly hard here. I feel real bad for the recruits this year who were dead set on going there (Baxter) and now have no idea.
    Huh?? Of course Urban Meyer has some of the best talent in the country just like USC. So does Mac Brown. My point is these guys or their boosters don't do everything above board to pull in that kinda talent.



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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    It's not the coaches. It's the rich boosters. So yeah I am sure there are players on Texas and Florida that are taking payments. Nothing Mac Brown or any other coach can do about it.


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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Don't fool yourself. There are a few skeleton's in their closests too...
    But I still think there is something to be said about these coaches not always realizing what is going on behind the scenes. These large, impassioned and often wealthy fanbases could have little regard or knowledge for the rules, and could be doing something illegal under NCAA rules w/o the coaches knowledge. A coach cannot reasonably be expected to have access to every players bank statements, know their employment status, know the car they are driving, ect.



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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    I also disagree with that idea. By all accounts I think Brown and Meyer are running clean programs, and are lucky enough to be at schools where the prestige and resources "recruit themselves". I think Pete Carroll had the same situation going, but maybe was looking for the extra edge. There is also the possibility that he did not know some of the booster support was going on. I know it is hard to believe he didn't realize one of his players was driving a brand new Escalade or something of the like, but I suppose he shows up for practices and film everyday and goes home, and isn't out hanging out with his players checking up on what car their driving and how much cash is in their bank accounts.
    Funny thing is, I am sure this happens more often than not. There is a certain football player that plays at a school east of Ames that was tooling around his hometown in an Escalade this summer over the 4th of July weekend. Lots of stuff like this goes on around the country, I would bet the only time it really gets called out is when the bigger stuff rolls downhill and they lump it all together.

    For a coach like Pete that has already failed once in the NFL and had a cushy job as USC going, as well as playing a freshman QB this year as he prepared for the future national championship's he planned on winning, it is a bit odd for him to up and leave. This could really expose alot of what may be wrong with college athletics, or be nothing...



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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    But I still think there is something to be said about these coaches not always realizing what is going on behind the scenes. These large, impassioned and often wealthy fanbases could have little regard or knowledge for the rules, and could be doing something illegal under NCAA rules w/o the coaches knowledge. A coach cannot reasonably be expected to have access to every players bank statements, know their employment status, know the car they are driving, ect.
    I agree with most of that. Fanbases are a wild card in everything.

    Why can't a coach keep track of all that player stuff with the large staff they have at their disposal?

    It's up to the AD and the coach to educate fans what is right and wrong(just as JP has worked very hard at doing the last few years.).



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    Re: More Problems at USC Coming Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    I agree with most of that. Fanbases are a wild card in everything.

    Why can't a coach keep track of all that player stuff with the large staff they have at their disposal?

    It's up to the AD and the coach to educate fans what is right and wrong(just as JP has worked very hard at doing the last few years.).
    COming from ISU we have no idea the extent to which people will go. For one, we don't have 50 LARGE boosters in the players ear. It is hard for a coach to keep track of 100 kids as well.


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