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    Salt and Sand now or wait?

    I am trying to debate what I need to do here and am looking for advice. I have three commercial locations here in the CR area that are completely covered in ice.

    2 places with asphalt gravel we salt and sand, the one with concrete we just sand.

    If I have this done today am I wasting my money? Will the sand just be under ice come tomorrow?

    It is looking as if it could be near 36 tomorrow with mostly rain in my area. My thinking is it will mostly melt. But I want my customers to be able to access their units, but if it won't help because of ongoing conditions for the next few days than it may not be worthwhile.

    So what do others here think? I know it will help but for how long?



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    You're probably wasting your money until the first person falls.



    Maybe just have someone throw a bag of salt on the ground and then at least you can say you tried.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmclone View Post
    You're probably wasting your money until the first person falls.



    Maybe just have someone throw a bag of salt on the ground and then at least you can say you tried.
    Well that won't work for me I have about 1000 storage garage units It costs me about $1000.00 to have this done. But I know I have customers with Christmas presents in hiding in their units. I imagine I probably even have a few customers that frequent here.

    My main concern is that all the sand I put down today will be frozen under ice tomorrow.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Hi, I'm Lionel Hutz, Attorney-at-Law. If you have suffered injury while attempting to navigate cytech's dangerous and unmaintained parking lots, please call for a free consultation.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by balken View Post
    Hi, I'm Lionel Hutz, Attorney-at-Law. If you have suffered injury while attempting to navigate cytech's dangerous and unmaintained parking lots, please call for a free consultation.
    And that is exactly what I am worried about, but I think I am somewhat covered until the event causing the ice finishes.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    That's a lot to spend for something that will just last a few hours.


    BTW-I always thought that would be an interesting business.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmclone View Post
    That's a lot to spend for something that will just last a few hours.


    BTW-I always thought that would be an interesting business.
    yeah it's interesting up until the time you have your units fully occupied. the interesting part is when you are less than fully occupied! :)


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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    If it's not slick now, I'd say don't worry about it. If a customer goes out during or right after a snow/ice storm, then that customer is taking a risk that it's slick out. Not that that would stop the customer from suing you if he falls, but it would mean they wouldn't have a good claim against you.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmclone View Post
    That's a lot to spend for something that will just last a few hours.


    BTW-I always thought that would be an interesting business.
    I will tell you this before the garages we flipped house and were rented/sold them and I don't know what took us so long to get into this business. We started out with about 100 garages about 14 years ago.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyPride View Post
    yeah it's interesting up until the time you have your units fully occupied. the interesting part is when you are less than fully occupied! :)

    We are never fully occupied on average over 100 move in/outs a month. Not to mention one of our locations had 3 foot of water in the units a year and a half ago.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by balken View Post
    Hi, I'm Lionel Hutz, Attorney-at-Law. If you have suffered injury while attempting to navigate cytech's dangerous and unmaintained parking lots, please call for a free consultation.
    I watched Matlock in a bar last night. The sound wasn't on, but I got the general idea. Care to join me in a belt of scotch?



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    I would say if depends on how much rain we get. If it rains quite a bit and you have good drainage off the lots, then putting salt down now is just going to be flushed to the storm sewer drainage tomorrow. If we don't get a lot of rain, then putting salt down now will dissolve and work on the ice from the bottom up making it easier to break up and move when the ice comes. If we get enough rain where there is a lot of drainage I would wait and put the salt down about the time it is starting to turn to ice and then put sand over the ice if it shows up to help traction till the ice melts. If we don't get much rain then put salt down now and then the sand after ice shows up.

    So the $1,000 question is....do we get enough rain to move enough water to the storm sewer that it takes away the salt, or not. Good Luck.



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleClone View Post
    I watched Matlock in a bar last night. The sound wasn't on, but I got the general idea. Care to join me in a belt of scotch?
    It's 9:30 in the morning!



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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Quote Originally Posted by cytech View Post
    Well that won't work for me I have about 1000 storage garage units It costs me about $1000.00 to have this done. But I know I have customers with Christmas presents in hiding in their units. I imagine I probably even have a few customers that frequent here.

    My main concern is that all the sand I put down today will be frozen under ice tomorrow.
    A thousand dollars is substantially less than it would cost you just to defend even one negligence lawsuit. I suspect that from an actuarial standpoint it probably makes more sense to err on the side of caution.


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    Re: Salt and Sand now or wait?

    Do it now, it's harder to remove ice than to prevent it.



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