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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    why was it low..Wayne Morgan



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Great, now if we can only get our major sport student-athletes to graduate with a degree that has some meaningful relevance to what the real world values, instead of something like a diploma from Grade 13, maybe we'll have something to brag about. .

    I posted here a link ast March, from the USAToday who did a 3-part series on College "Clustering" of student-athletes. Basically, the plan at most Universities it to get a majority of their athletes jammed into one curriculum, that is 'sports friendly': No Afternoon Labs/ Professors with little project demands / and courses that allow exams by Fax & email.......say something like 'General Studies', and as long as they maintain the minimum GPA, like 2.3, or whatever, and progress towards a degree, the NCAA, and the University Admins, look the other way.

    The article looked at something like 40 different D-1 programs, including Iowa, Kansas State,even Princeton et al (most B12 schools except ISU and Baylor) and found >70% of the Juniors & Seniors were all majoring in the same subject - a subject that is so vague and worthless, that most of the athletes with degrees had to reenter college at age 26 - after they found out their degree was worth nothing to most mid-level salaried career paths.

    The fact is major College Sports programs use these kids for their own monetary benefit, with little regard for their long-term welfare, only to throw them out to the real world when their meaningful utility is expired, kinda like how Hugh Heffner tosses out girlfriends when they reach age 29.


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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Go2Guy View Post
    Great, now if we can only get our major sport student-athletes to graduate with a degree that has some meaningful relevance to what the real world values, instead of something like a diploma from Grade 13, maybe we'll have something to brag about. .

    I posted here a link ast March, from the USAToday who did a 3-part series on College "Clustering" of student-athletes. Basically, the plan at most Universities it to get a majority of their athletes jammed into one curriculum, that is 'sports friendly': No Afternoon Labs/ Professors with little project demands / and courses that allow exams by Fax & email.......say something like 'General Studies', and as long as they maintain the minimum GPA, like 2.3, or whatever, and progress towards a degree, the NCAA, and the University Admins, look the other way.

    The article looked at something like 40 different D-1 programs, including Iowa, Kansas State,even Princeton et al (most B12 schools except ISU and Baylor) and found >70% of the Juniors & Seniors were all majoring in the same subject - a subject that is so vague and worthless, that most of the athletes with degrees had to reenter college at age 26 - after they found out their degree was worth nothing to most mid-level salaried career paths.

    The fact is major College Sports programs use these kids for their own monetary benefit, with little regard for their long-term welfare, only to throw them out to the real world when their meaningful utility is expired, kinda like how Hugh Heffner tosses out girlfriends when they reach age 29.
    Was reading up on Harbaugh ripping Michigan and they are big proponents of "General Studies." Not sure how much ISU does this though. To me it doesn't seem as bad here as other places.

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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCyIce View Post
    why was it low..Wayne Morgan
    You may be joking but MBB, across the country, is a major drain on graduation rates.



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    Was reading up on Harbaugh ripping Michigan and they are big proponents of "General Studies." Not sure how much ISU does this though. To me it doesn't seem as bad here as other places.

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    It is done quite a bit at Iowa State as well. They will push you towards certain majors, electives, and classes quite a bit. I had one sociology elective taught by a tutor for the athletic department. The class was almost all athletes and one of the easiest classes I have ever had.



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    It's the highest in the Big 12. That is certainly to be proud of.



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    IceCyIce- I believe the team gpa rose under Morgan from the LE years, and I don't know how all the players that left affect grad rates, the transfers as well as the two trying for the NBA.



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    It is done quite a bit at Iowa State as well. They will push you towards certain majors, electives, and classes quite a bit. I had one sociology elective taught by a tutor for the athletic department. The class was almost all athletes and one of the easiest classes I have ever had.
    What level of Sociology? just curios because if it is a Gen ed requirement so what? I would be interested in seeing the breakdown of our athletes majors to see if it is like Michigan or if it is more diverse. Heck, the Soc class I took in college was easy as heel as well.



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Keep in mind that this latest data are for those entering school in 2002...

    Division I graduation rates reach all-time highs - NCAA.org


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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    i guess your idea of winning and mine are diffrent



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    Re: Iowa state student athlete highest ever graduation rate

    Quote Originally Posted by tazclone View Post
    What level of Sociology? just curios because if it is a Gen ed requirement so what? I would be interested in seeing the breakdown of our athletes majors to see if it is like Michigan or if it is more diverse. Heck, the Soc class I took in college was easy as heel as well.

    It was a 300 level class. There may have been 30 people in the class and I'm guessing 18-22 of them were athletes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IceCyIce View Post
    why was it low..Wayne Morgan
    As much as I think WM was a force in the academic decline of our MBB program, MBB is a very small number of athletes in the grand perspective. Improvement in FB graduation rates would affect the overall the most.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    i guess your idea of winning and mine are diffrent
    Agreed. Good for them, but I don't go to games to cheer them on for their next final.



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