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    Receivers

    What is with this group, seriously? The talent is supposedly there - or at least the potential. It's really frustrating to watch these guys get manhandled by smaller corners and either not be able to get off the line or get very little separation from defenders.

    I'm a big fan of Hamilton and he's clearly the best of the group - but even he hasn't been as good as he should be this year. Guys like Jake Williams and Josh Lenz have been nice surprises, but secondaries aren't really going to fear either of them. Neither are going to be #1/#2 receivers but can be solid slot guys. Before they can have a shot to get open though, we need our "better" receivers to start producing.

    We bring most everyone back on offense but at receiver, I'm not sure that's a good thing. We simply have almost no ability to stretch the field, allowing defenses to play closer to the line and making it a bit tougher to execute the shorter timing routes and run the ball. ARob could be absolutely dominating if safeties had to respect our passing game.



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    Re: Receivers

    I thought it was very interesting that Houston Jones and Joel Zitek played the receiver spots for almost all of the rushing downs in the game, yet neither had a single pass thrown to them.



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    Re: Receivers

    I always read that our guys don't get separation. What is it that they are lacking? I notice a lot of handfighting between receivers and defensive backs on all teams. Are our guys not strong enough to push away from the DB or are they just not fast enough to get by the DB's?


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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    I thought it was very interesting that Houston Jones and Joel Zitek played the receiver spots for almost all of the rushing downs in the game, yet neither had a single pass thrown to them.
    That was a dead giveaway that we were not going to throw on those plays, although I would have loved to have gone to Jones. He was pretty reliable late last year when other guys had gotten hurt.



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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by wesley_w View Post
    I always read that our guys don't get separation. What is it that they are lacking? I notice a lot of handfighting between receivers and defensive backs on all teams. Are our guys not strong enough to push away from the DB or are they just not fast enough to get by the DB's?
    Seems like some of both, but IMO, it's more of the not being physical enough. Most of our guys spend too much time at the line trying to get past the defender or getting easily bumped off their routes.



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    Re: Receivers

    Hate to say this 22, but half of it if not more is on AA. He missed a LOT of open guys last weekend.


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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones34 View Post
    Hate to say this 22, but half of it if not more is on AA. He missed a LOT of open guys last weekend.
    1. A lot is a huge stretch.
    2. AA has much to improve on.
    3. His offensive line gave little help.



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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones34 View Post
    Hate to say this 22, but half of it if not more is on AA. He missed a LOT of open guys last weekend.
    Agreed that he missed a few throws - most notibly the terrible 3 yards short underthrow. The Oline couldnt protect him and the recievers were rarely open against CU. Watch the replay this week, it wasnt Arnaud.


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    Re: Receivers

    I have said it before, and will continue saying it, but there is a reason Rodgers (WR coach under Chizik) is coaching the receivers for the Denver Broncos right now. Rodgers was a good coach and the way Darks and Sed were brought along last year showed.

    Nothing against Luke Wells but I think he might be the weakest link on the staff right now.

    Most of this is on the receivers getting separation at the line but Austen has missed some open guys throughout the year. Including Saturday. Things won't change overnight but we might see some good improvement if we make a bowl game and have nearly a month straight to work on it.



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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by d4nim4l View Post
    I have said it before, and will continue saying it, but there is a reason Rodgers (WR coach under Chizik) is coaching the receivers for the Denver Broncos right now. Rodgers was a good coach and the way Darks and Sed were brought along last year showed.
    Ironically, I was just doing a google search to see where he ended up. This is 100% spot on.



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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Seems like some of both, but IMO, it's more of the not being physical enough. Most of our guys spend too much time at the line trying to get past the defender or getting easily bumped off their routes.
    Did anyone watch the Indy game last night. When Reggie Wayne caught the game winning slant the corner was in press coverage. He gave the corner a club and swim move that would have made Reggie White proud. Manning threw thew ball on time and to a spot that he just knew that Wayne would get to. I am not even trying to compare our QB/WR to those 2 but we lack that timing that is needed for our offense to flow.



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    Re: Receivers

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Money, Young, and Darks be our top 3 WR's next year. We have a very poor WR core and I think Money being back and a great WR in Young is just what we need. Hopefully a guy like Blanton, Range, or Jennert can step up and play



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    Re: Receivers

    It is not the receivers, Hamilton was WIDE open all day and so was Darks, AA has not got the ability in this new offense to look off the first receiver, I do not see this happening this year, but hopefully next year.



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    Re: Receivers

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    It is not the receivers, Hamilton was WIDE open all day and so was Darks, AA has not got the ability in this new offense to look off the first receiver, I do not see this happening this year, but hopefully next year.
    Zitek and Jones may have gotten more time because it was Senior Day.

    However, my big concern is why we didn't exploit the obviously very sore ankles of their secondary (#29 and #3) in the second half. I think I could have gotten open on those guys.



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