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    different coach - different expectations?

    I am confused. We have Brackins, one of the top scorers in the country returning, most of our starting line-up returning, and incoming transfer that is highly regarded enough to garner pre-season Big 12 Newcomer. Is the Big 12 that good, or is it just that no one has a high expectation of McDermott as coach?

    I know everyone hates this, but if we had one of our former coaches still, I think the media would be hyping ISU more.

    I have been behind McD and am right now, I see improvements, but these ingredients should be enough to be a top half Big 12 team at least. If he can't do it this year with Brackins still here, is there hope when he is gone?



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Virtually all publications and prognosticators make judgments based on what the team has done in the previous year or two. That's why I don't expect anyone to place us 1-4th or even 5-6th. But I do expect us to be better than 8th, where most are placing us.

    No one wants to stick their neck out and make a bold prediction.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    We had all of that except Gilstrap last year. The expectations are based one what we've done in the past, which hasn't been much. Therefore, I think the expectations would be the same given a different coach in the same situation.


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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    We'd better finish in the top 6 of the B12. I hate to say it, but if we don't, I will lose some serious faith in McDermott. If you can't win enough basketball games to be in the top half of the B12 with Craig Brackins, a good 3 year starter at PG, a couple solid 3-point threats, and a big body in the middle... its going to be tough for me to back you like I have in the past.


    Now that MBB is back, do we still have to pretend that WBB matters?

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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    If we'd hired Bill Self to come in and coach this years team - after all the recruiting was done - this team would be no worse than fourth. I think that's all you need to know.


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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    McDermott hasn't proved anything in the Big 12 yet. His conference record stands at 16-32 with a 2-22 record on the road in conference. That's still not a track record that looks real good in the Big 12. I think we're a bubble team this year, but we sure as heck shouldn't complain about lack of respect when we've done nothing to earn it.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Wasn't the team that went to the elite eight also picked to finish 8th in the conference? Pre season rankings mean little to nothing. I also hate it when we are hyped because it always seems we play better when we're underdogs.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Quote Originally Posted by singsing View Post
    Wasn't the team that went to the elite eight also picked to finish 8th in the conference? Pre season rankings mean little to nothing. I also hate it when we are hyped because it always seems we play better when we're underdogs.

    That's because 99% of the time we are underdogs.


    Now that MBB is back, do we still have to pretend that WBB matters?

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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    As someone else said, our previous teams that performed very well were never picked to finish high in conference. That's one of the great aspects of our MBB program, we have often exceeded public expectations.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Preseason rankings mean nothing. And we have strengthened our non-conference schedule, which I think will help us in the big 12.


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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    i think this will be the year of the men's and ladies cyclones. i think we have some outstanding recruits in gilstrap,dendy,colvin and others.
    mcdermott has got rid of all of his wussiesand even though we are picked to finish low in the big 12,i think we will finish as high as 4th and will be able to get to the big dance called the ncaa's. i also think we will see some good contribuions from the transfer scott christopherson.

    all of the gurus think oklahoma will be good. i just can't quite figure that one out since they lost the griffin twins.the griffin that played center was one of the smoothest ball players i have ever seen either in the old big eight or now in the big 12.where did he end up in the pro ranks.

    kansas will be their usual self and will be tough to beat in any game. they seem to have a tradition at kansas that is hard to break. this could be our year to beat the jaysquawks..
    next year we should be able to beat FAT SLOB ,THE KU FOOTBALL COACH,because he loses reesing and meier..........thank god!

    harrison barnes pick the cyclones.everyone put that in your prayers for the next few days.


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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    woodie, i actually agree with you on something, at least when it comes to KU having to figure out how to be worth a crap next year with out Reesing and Meier.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyfan964 View Post
    We'd better finish in the top 6 of the B12. I hate to say it, but if we don't, I will lose some serious faith in McDermott. If you can't win enough basketball games to be in the top half of the B12 with Craig Brackins, a good 3 year starter at PG, a couple solid 3-point threats, and a big body in the middle... its going to be tough for me to back you like I have in the past.

    I pretty much agree with this. I like Mcdermott and always have supported him. But this is the year to really prove something.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyfan964 View Post
    We'd better finish in the top 6 of the B12. I hate to say it, but if we don't, I will lose some serious faith in McDermott. If you can't win enough basketball games to be in the top half of the B12 with Craig Brackins, a good 3 year starter at PG, a couple solid 3-point threats, and a big body in the middle... its going to be tough for me to back you like I have in the past.
    Exactly. When McDermott has had these kids for 3+ years, the only excuse we would have for not making the NCAA tournament (barring injury) is the coaching staff.

    Look at the freakin' football team. The same kids who were getting smacked around under Chizik last year are playing much better than at any point over the last three years. Coaching makes a huge difference.



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    Re: different coach - different expectations?

    Quote Originally Posted by kurecabinboy View Post
    Exactly. When McDermott has had these kids for 3+ years, the only excuse we would have for not making the NCAA tournament (barring injury) is the coaching staff.

    Look at the freakin' football team. The same kids who were getting smacked around under Chizik last year are playing much better than at any point over the last three years. Coaching makes a huge difference.
    It has been well discussed about Mac's failings in terms of his recruiting process over the first couple of years which showed on the floor. Yes, this is the responsibility of him and the staff, but it has been addressed.

    It's all starting to come together.

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