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    Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan writes that the Cubs have no plans to bring back Rich Harden, as alluded to by manager Lou Piniella. Prior to losing the final road game of the season to the San Francisco, Piniella ran down the 2010 rotation.
    "You look at our starting pitching here for next year," Piniella said. "You've got (Carlos) Zambrano, you've got (Ryan) Dempster, you've got (Randy) Wells, you've got (Ted) Lilly, you've got (Tom) Gorzelanny, and you've got (Jeff) Samardzija...And if this kid keeps improving, he'll be right in the mix. So we've got six nice arms."
    Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Piniella characterized the starting five as being "pretty settled." Wittenmyer feels that Gorzelannyhas a leg up on Samardzija and Sean Marshall for the fifth slot.
    Zambrano, despite his personal frustration, could once again be an elite pitcher. The 28-year-old ace is discouraged by his depressed win total, but still managed to post a 3.69 ERA with 8.0 K/9 - a marked improvement over his 6.2 K/9 in 2008. Lilly has had what you could call a career year at the age of 33, recording all-time bests with a 3.02 ERA and 4.21 K/BB ratio. Dempster's HR, BB and SO rates are in the neighborhood of where they were last year, when he garnered national attention. Wells put up a strong 3.18 ERA on the way to becoming the first Cubs rookie to notch 10 wins since Kerry Wood.
    Are the Cubs in good enough shape to let Harden sign elsewhere without having to sift through the lackluster available starting pitchers? Let's hear your thoughts in the comments section



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Samardzija is not a major league starter.

    And I'm OK with them not re-signing Harden. He is far too injury prone.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Yes, for the likely expense compared to the risk I'd look elsewhere if I were the Cubs. I would love to see the Twins splurge for him though, the lack of a true #1 for the team is glaring and Harden could fill that role(without being hideously expensive) but there certainly is risk to the signing.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    It does seem like we could be OK either way. Some of that depends on how good Gorzelanny can be. But he'd be matched up against another #4 or #5 starter, so that always helps.


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Why not continue the tradition of getting rid of players that have done well? It seemed to work well this year.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    This is about the idiots we are....i give up on the cubs


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by hurdleisu24 View Post
    The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan writes that the Cubs have no plans to bring back Rich Harden, as alluded to by manager Lou Piniella. Prior to losing the final road game of the season to the San Francisco, Piniella ran down the 2010 rotation.
    "You look at our starting pitching here for next year," Piniella said. "You've got (Carlos) Zambrano, you've got (Ryan) Dempster, you've got (Randy) Wells, you've got (Ted) Lilly, you've got (Tom) Gorzelanny, and you've got (Jeff) Samardzija...And if this kid keeps improving, he'll be right in the mix. So we've got six nice arms."
    Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Piniella characterized the starting five as being "pretty settled." Wittenmyer feels that Gorzelannyhas a leg up on Samardzija and Sean Marshall for the fifth slot.
    Zambrano, despite his personal frustration, could once again be an elite pitcher. The 28-year-old ace is discouraged by his depressed win total, but still managed to post a 3.69 ERA with 8.0 K/9 - a marked improvement over his 6.2 K/9 in 2008. Lilly has had what you could call a career year at the age of 33, recording all-time bests with a 3.02 ERA and 4.21 K/BB ratio. Dempster's HR, BB and SO rates are in the neighborhood of where they were last year, when he garnered national attention. Wells put up a strong 3.18 ERA on the way to becoming the first Cubs rookie to notch 10 wins since Kerry Wood.
    Are the Cubs in good enough shape to let Harden sign elsewhere without having to sift through the lackluster available starting pitchers? Let's hear your thoughts in the comments section
    If they're just going to let him walk, why not make a deal when the Twins claimed him? That's just stupid. Now you get nothing for him.


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    This is about the idiots we are....i give up on the cubs
    If you give up, you miss half the fun.

    As unpredictable as this game is, it's one of those things that could turn out to be a good move. Possibly.


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    If you give up, you miss half the fun.

    As unpredictable as this game is, it's one of those things that could turn out to be a good move. Possibly.
    Yes, but Harden is still young and stayed very healthy this year...At least sign him for 2 more years


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnhicks03 View Post
    If they're just going to let him walk, why not make a deal when the Twins claimed him? That's just stupid. Now you get nothing for him.
    Because the two picks we will get from offering arbitration is worth more than the garbage the Twins were willing to offer.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    Because the two picks we will get from offering arbitration is worth more than the garbage the Twins were willing to offer.
    I don't see anything that suggests they will offer arbitration.


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    Yes, but Harden is still young and stayed very healthy this year...At least sign him for 2 more years
    I'm not sure either way with him right now. I'm only saying that it could possibly be a good thing if they go this way. Not for sure, but possible.


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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnhicks03 View Post
    If they're just going to let him walk, why not make a deal when the Twins claimed him? That's just stupid. Now you get nothing for him.
    Depends what the Twins were offering, I'd assume they offer him arbitration and since I think Harden is a Type A, depending upon the team that signs him record(top 15 picks are protected), they would receive that teams first round pick as well as a sandwich round pick.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    Because the two picks we will get from offering arbitration is worth more than the garbage the Twins were willing to offer.
    Offering arbitration doesn't come risk free. If he calls the team's bluff and accepts, at the least he gains an inflated contract. If he does this and then goes on the shelf, it would have been better to let him walk. I'm still not convinced that the Cubs go through with arbitration.



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    Re: Cubs not to bring back Harden?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Offering arbitration doesn't come risk free. If he calls the team's bluff and accepts, at the least he gains an inflated contract. If he does this and then goes on the shelf, it would have been better to let him walk. I'm still not convinced that the Cubs go through with arbitration.
    Yep...it was the same reason that the Cubs didn't offer arbitration to Kerry Wood after last year...they were afraid that he might accept the offer.



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