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    Power House Program

    Do you think it is possible to build a program into a power house program this day in age? By this I need to define 2 things, 1) Power House=a program talked about by national media year in and year out. 2) That program has to be able continue the stipulation not only in down years but through coaching changes.
    I realize there are coaches that have reenergized power house programs such as USC and Oklahoma, but I would argue these coaches didn't build them, you may disagree.



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    Re: Power House Program

    USF is on the verge of becoming a powerhouse.



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    Re: Power House Program

    I would have to disagree...Yes USC has a good tradition but Pete Carroll has single handily turned them into a top 5 team every year



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    Re: Power House Program

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonepower View Post
    I would have to disagree...Yes USC has a good tradition but Pete Carroll has single handily turned them into a top 5 team every year
    I guess my question was more about building a program without those traditions in this day in age. Programs like ISU and USF (good example), I would say USF might be headed that way but there are a lot of steps to go still.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Any school has the ability to become a powerhouse. Nebraska was a powerhouse for 50 years or so. There is nothing special about Lincoln or a recruiting hotbed in Nebraska. Good coaching got them there and then tradition made it easier to recruit. USF has been built from the ground up over the last 15 years, it is on the verge. If Louisville or Cincy could get a coach to stick around for 20 years or so it could be possible there as well.

    It just needs to start somewhere.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Before you become a powerhouse program, you become an average program. Then a good program. Then a very good program. Then a consistently good program. Then you are a powerhouse.
    Let's hope ISU can at least be called average in a couple of years.



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    Re: Power House Program

    At this point I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. I think with the huge increase in money and exposure in college sports, the gap between the haves and the have nots has only gotten wider, which makes it harder and harder every year for someone to bridge the gap.

    I think it is possible for a storied program that has fallen to climb back up (something like a Notre Dame or a Nebraska), but I just don't ever see a school like ISU transforming into a long term power house in football.

    Honestly, I don't think we have a single example of this happening in the last couple decades. The closest thing you may have would be KState. They went from nothing to a top 10 program and sustained that for quite a while. But even with the level and duration of the success they had, they still haven't sustained that. Look at them today. They just lost to Louisianna Lafayette and are being circled by a rebuilding ISU as a W.

    It may not be impossible, but it is damn close.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Cinncinatti and Wake Forest have been in BCS bowl games as of late. Both are now respectable opponents, as well as Kansas



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    Re: Power House Program

    Boise State? Utah?

    It can be done anywhere.



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    Re: Power House Program

    USF won't be a 'powerhouse' untill they get the facilities to compete with the big boys. Right now they are just taking advantage of their lower admissions standards.

    I would say Kansas and Mizzu are the closest of anyone to getting to powerhouse status from out of nowhere.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    USF won't be a 'powerhouse' untill they get the facilities to compete with the big boys. Right now they are just taking advantage of their lower admissions standards.

    I would say Kansas and Mizzu are the closest of anyone to getting to powerhouse status from out of nowhere.
    I would agree with this. I think one of the big factors, already mentioned, is money. In a lot of situations the credit for a program goes to the coach and these coaches tend to get offers from their the pros or other more established programs and leave then the left program usually falls back to mediocre at best.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bobh33 View Post
    Boise State? Utah?

    It can be done anywhere.
    I wouldn't necessarily call Boise St and Utah powerhouses - yet. Although the three of them are a combined 3-0 in BCS bowls since 2004, neither has proven they're capable of doing so on a yearly basis. Certainly part of it is "The Man" keeping them down, but the fact is it's not yearly yet, especially Utah. Now, if Boise St joins the MWC and the MWC gains BCS status (which it clearly should), then yeah, we're going to have a new class of powerhouses on our hands.


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    Re: Power House Program

    I don't think any of the examples here really meet the criteria of a "power house" as laid out by the OP. Yes, schools like Wake, Cincy, KU, and Mizzou have gone from nothing to top rankings and BCS bowls, but at this point they haven't sustained that level of success. And they need to sustain for a long period of time to move into that Power House category.

    When you look at programs like OSU, Michigan, UT, Florida, these schools constantly re-emerge as national powers after down stretches or coaching changes, and they are constantly getting talked about by the national media even during those down times. At this point, if a school like Wake or Mizzou came back down to a .500 program people would quit caring. That is what separates the true national power house programs from the programs that are just really good right now.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh33 View Post
    Boise State? Utah?

    It can be done anywhere.
    No way. Their conference affiliation (who they played) helped them. It's good that they beat the big boys in the BCS but I doubt they could do the same in a power 6 conference on a consistent basis.

    What hurts ISU is being in a small state with another D1 program and surrounded by states (NE, MN, WI, IL, MO) that have one dominant program that usually get the recruits they want.

    Add the reality of different revenue streams by conference and institution (Notre Dame) and the likelihood of seeing a power house spring up is close to zero.



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    Re: Power House Program

    Honestly, I don't think we have a single example of this happening in the last couple decades.
    I would say Va Tech is a great example. Beamer has been there for over 20 years now and they are a perennial top 20 team, consistently challenge for their conference championship, and are occasionally in the National Championship hunt.



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