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    Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Matt is actually making some good points for the Cyclones, and attempting to fight off some arrogant Hawks. I actually agree with what he has been saying.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrods79 View Post
    Matt is actually making some good points for the Cyclones, and attempting to fight off some arrogant Hawks. I actually agree with what he has been saying.
    Did you agree with him when he said Iowa didn't win the game in their first segment? Those were his exact words.

    What is it you agree with?



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Just trying to stir the pot.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Can't listen? What's the recap?



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    Did you agree with him when he said Iowa didn't win the game in their first segment? Those were his exact words.

    What is it you agree with?
    I'm not listening but didn't a lot of Hawks say Iowa beat themselves in the Drew Tate Knock-Out game?


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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    What I agree with is that we saw a terrible performance on Saturday from both teams, and that the one that was less bad, ended up winning the game. Basically he is saying that he wasn't impressed with Iowa's performance, and that there was a lot of junk given up by Arnaud/ISU's offense that Iowa gained advantage from, and had that not been the case, we're looking at a different game. Not trying to make excuses, because Iowa beat us fair and square, but Iowa is not the world-beating team that some of the Hawk fans are now making them out to be because of the point margin. Also, a lot of the callers are bringing up the past, and the whole "we get better as the season goes along", which Matt is not buying (and I don't buy either, as a new season is a new season, period).

    Just interesting conversation.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    A lot of callers are also calling in and pointing out that Matt is new here, "so what would he know about Iowa Football", dumb arguments.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Iowa handed us an *** kicking, but 6 turnovers helps ALOT. 6 turnovers equals 6 drives that ISU handed Iowa the ball. To break that down more it's a whole half of football that ISU didn't play.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    We really haven't learned a lot about either team in their first two games.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrods79 View Post
    What I agree with is that we saw a terrible performance on Saturday from both teams, and that the one that was less bad, ended up winning the game. Basically he is saying that he wasn't impressed with Iowa's performance, and that there was a lot of junk given up by Arnaud/ISU's offense that Iowa gained advantage from, and had that not been the case, we're looking at a different game. Not trying to make excuses, because Iowa beat us fair and square, but Iowa is not the world-beating team that some of the Hawk fans are now making them out to be because of the point margin. Also, a lot of the callers are bringing up the past, and the whole "we get better as the season goes along", which Matt is not buying (and I don't buy either, as a new season is a new season, period).

    Just interesting conversation.
    I wasn't aware that Iowa's job on Saturday was to impress Matt Perrault. Look, Stanzi played like **** in the first quarter and missed a 3 or 4 wide open receievers (especially on Sims second pick, Stanzi just air-mailed that one). Second, I don't think any Iowa fans are making them out to be world-beaters - this one isn't, and I know that Iowa had the advantages of some short fields and some questionable (in hindsight) decisions by the ISU coaching staff.

    I also find it interesting that Matt can say that it was still a game at halftime (which I agree with) but refuses to give Stanzi any credit whatsoever for putting the game away in the 3rd with 1 more touchdown pass.

    Your last statement is pretty laughable, and demonstrates an amazing lack of knowledge about Iowa football under Ferentz. Even in his 1st year, that team was playing much better football at the end of the season than the beginning. Last year was the same way, and even the 2007 team won 3 straight to get to 6-5 before the W. Michigan debacle. Even the most partisan Cyclone fan would admit that Iowa teams under Ferentz typically get better as the year goes on.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by 2forISU View Post
    Iowa handed us an *** kicking, but 6 turnovers helps ALOT. 6 turnovers equals 6 drives that ISU handed Iowa the ball. To break that down more it's a whole half of football that ISU didn't play.
    To that point Austen doesn't go from the best QB in the state to that without the defense making him. Certainly the throws were bad, but the coverage and scheme made it that way. Just don't see many orher fanbases use their own ineptness as means to take credit away from the opposition.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipper View Post
    To that point Austen doesn't go from the best QB in the state to that without the defense making him. Certainly the throws were bad, but the coverage and scheme made it that way. Just don't see many orher fanbases use their own ineptness as means to take credit away from the opposition.
    Good point. It's easy to say that the 6 turnovers did more to contribute to the Iowa win than any other factor, but at the same time you have to admit that Norm Parker is pretty damn good coach, and was playing mind games with Austen all afternoon.

    Lord knows we Iowa fans used the "we handed you the game" excuse after the 2005 game.



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Of course Iowa gets better as the season drags on...that's when they get past their hard games and make it to the BigTen games.


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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    Good point. It's easy to say that the 6 turnovers did more to contribute to the Iowa win than any other factor, but at the same time you have to admit that Norm Parker is pretty damn good coach, and was playing mind games with Austen all afternoon.

    Lord knows we Iowa fans used the "we handed you the game" excuse after the 2005 game.
    You know it's funny. I look at the game and say that our line may have won the battle up front on both sides of the ball and yet we still got beat 35-3. How did that happen. Well Parker put together a great gameplan. Iowa's DB's played great football and Arnaud played right into what they were trying to do. I've never felt as if one player ever cost us a game more than I did on Saturday. He was just beyond awful. Worse than his 4 INT's stat sheet shows IMO



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    Re: Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    I wasn't aware that Iowa's job on Saturday was to impress Matt Perrault. Look, Stanzi played like **** in the first quarter and missed a 3 or 4 wide open receievers (especially on Sims second pick, Stanzi just air-mailed that one). Second, I don't think any Iowa fans are making them out to be world-beaters - this one isn't, and I know that Iowa had the advantages of some short fields and some questionable (in hindsight) decisions by the ISU coaching staff.

    I also find it interesting that Matt can say that it was still a game at halftime (which I agree with) but refuses to give Stanzi any credit whatsoever for putting the game away in the 3rd with 1 more touchdown pass.

    Your last statement is pretty laughable, and demonstrates an amazing lack of knowledge about Iowa football under Ferentz. Even in his 1st year, that team was playing much better football at the end of the season than the beginning. Last year was the same way, and even the 2007 team won 3 straight to get to 6-5 before the W. Michigan debacle. Even the most partisan Cyclone fan would admit that Iowa teams under Ferentz typically get better as the year goes on.
    What is laughable is using the past to define the season. That statement should be true for any team, technically...you should get better the more you practice and play in real game situations. To use that as a basis of how this team will do is idiotic. I don't care about the records of season's past, because that doesn't hold anything to what will happen this year.

    And for the record I wasn't calling you out, THH. There are knowledgeable Iowa fans out there.



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