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    One Thing to Consider with AA

    We cannot forget that AA has had 3 O-Coordinators in his career. Also, you can't lose sight of the fact that he is still new to this offense. One of the biggest criticisms from yesterday was his inability to look off recievers and check down to different routes. I think this is an obvious sign that he is not yet completely comfortable with the offense. With the supposed complexity of this offense, I think it is feasible that he has grasped an understanding for the primary route(s) on a given play, but is struggling with some of the check downs and alternative options when the primary is covered. Give it time, I think we will see a huge improvement.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    THANK YOU. This was was I was trying to get to yesterday, it's his first game with the spread against a team with a defense that can actually cover your recievers. Give him a break. He still was making bad decisions with throwing it into double coverage, but it will get better just give the whole offense some time.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Yep. Just knowing it could be another 3+ years before PR has a team that is all his is really sobering.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    I respect your points about the offense and its complexity. Don't you think it's fair that Tiller gets a look at practice this week however?



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    3 OC's doesn't excuse poor reads, throwing behind the receivers, over throwing receivers by 10 yards and locking on to one receiver.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    If you go back to the NDSU game, AA tucked and ran a lot when he didn't get his read. Against Iowa, he forced it instead.
    He has now shown in consecutive games that he has a ways to go in learning this offense. Which is to be expected...



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Quote Originally Posted by heyguy85 View Post
    I respect your points about the offense and its complexity. Don't you think it's fair that Tiller gets a look at practice this week however?
    I'd give AA his chances to come back against two teams who aren't that great, so he can build his confidence back up. Arnaud knows he played terrible, so I think he'll put that torwards making himself a better player. He is still the starter IMO.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    I don't think Arnaud was responsible as he has been made out to be. Perhaps he should have scrambled more when receivers were surrounded by armies of black and gold.
    The play calling seemed a bit panicky. The armies of black and gold around the receivers should have brought the RB into the game more. But, this too, would not have changed the result of the game. Although I think Arnaud's numbers would have looked better than they did.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Here is a stat that people should realize before getting on the bandwagon of wanting to replace Arnaud or being upset with Herman.

    In his first four games under Herman at Rice, QB Chase Clement, had 3 TD's v. 7 int's and Rice had lost to Nicholls St and was 0-4. Clement was a returning starter who had taken Rice to their first bowl game in years the prior year and who had thrown 16 TD's and 4 Int's during that season when the prior hc and staff surprisingly left after 1 year to go back to Tulsa. He had his leading receiver returning, so people expected good things from him. In his fifth game under Herman, he threw for only 69 yards, but they won. He finished the year with 29 TD's to 16 int's (that means games 5-12, he had a 26-9 td/int ratio). In his second season under Herman, he had 44 TD's and only 7 int's. Most importantly, Rice won 10 games and won a bowl game.

    Have patience and support your team, players and coaches. I think it takes both AA and Herman time to learn and adjust to each other and what their in-game strengths and wants are. This will come, but my biggest concern before the game yesterday was that our offense is still learning so much and probably really won't "get it" until somewhere in games 6-8.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Quote Originally Posted by vanillathrilla View Post
    3 OC's doesn't excuse poor reads, throwing behind the receivers, over throwing receivers by 10 yards and locking on to one receiver.
    +1. An out is still and out, a post is still a post, a corner is still a corner.

    the OC had nothing to do with him throwing into double and triple coverage or throwing to a double move route with the safety sitting there just waiting to jump all over that throw.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    I don't care if it's Brett Breuker, if a quarterback can look one way and then throw the other, he should be playing. Make your read before the snap, and know where you're going with it.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcyfan82 View Post
    +1. An out is still and out, a post is still a post, a corner is still a corner.

    the OC had nothing to do with him throwing into double and triple coverage or throwing to a double move route with the safety sitting there just waiting to jump all over that throw.
    I don't buy the 3 OC excuse. He over threw recievers. Forced stuff in there, never looked off the safety. Locked into 1 reciever way too often.

    That isn't an OC's fault, that's technique. Bret Meyer did the same thing all 4 years, and everyone was quick to point it out. Seem like we are trying to shield AA from it by making excuses for him.

    He has a bad... OK TERRIBLE game. Hopefully he watches the film and catches "his" mistakes and does better next game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by klerme View Post
    Here is a stat that people should realize before getting on the bandwagon of wanting to replace Arnaud or being upset with Herman.

    In his first four games under Herman at Rice, QB Chase Clement, had 3 TD's v. 7 int's and Rice had lost to Nicholls St and was 0-4. Clement was a returning starter who had taken Rice to their first bowl game in years the prior year and who had thrown 16 TD's and 4 Int's during that season when the prior hc and staff surprisingly left after 1 year to go back to Tulsa. He had his leading receiver returning, so people expected good things from him. In his fifth game under Herman, he threw for only 69 yards, but they won. He finished the year with 29 TD's to 16 int's (that means games 5-12, he had a 26-9 td/int ratio). In his second season under Herman, he had 44 TD's and only 7 int's. Most importantly, Rice won 10 games and won a bowl game.

    Have patience and support your team, players and coaches. I think it takes both AA and Herman time to learn and adjust to each other and what their in-game strengths and wants are. This will come, but my biggest concern before the game yesterday was that our offense is still learning so much and probably really won't "get it" until somewhere in games 6-8.
    +1

    My beef is with the fans, really. All of this is entirely expected. Any time you have a change of coaching staff, there will be at least as many problems as there will be benefits. In all likelihood, the problems will outweigh the benefits, especially for the first few games. We saw that in spades against Iowa.

    Prior to the season, there were so many people predicting bowl games and 8-wins for this season and wins against Iowa and teams like Baylor, Nebraska, and even Oki State. All based on the idea that Paul Rhodes would come in here and clean house of all the problems and that everybody would play fantastic and there would be no changeover or adjustment problems whatsoever. We saw yesterday that all this was a pipe dream, and the dream exploded in the faces of the people with pollyanna fantasies about this season.

    I predicted three wins based on this simple idea: that a coaching change creates problems, that these problems would be worst early in the season when we are playing the easiest teams, and that by time the players have overcome the adjustment issues we are playing teams like Nebraska or Baylor or Oki State that have players who are not having to adjust to a new coaching staff themselves.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUonthemove View Post
    I don't care if it's Brett Breuker, if a quarterback can look one way and then throw the other, he should be playing. Make your read before the snap, and know where you're going with it.
    Uh..........what? Let me get this straight. You want our QB to make his throwing reads only by the defensive formation? If it were only that easy.........

    Let me just say, I am giving Arnaud a pass on this one. Not because there are any excuses. He made some really bad reads and some even worse throws. The worst part is that I had to hear about how much of a ball hawk Sash is when he took a combined two steps to get to all three of his picks. I think AA just had a terrible game, however I do believe this was a case of him trying to do too much. I don't want to get off the this wagon and hop onto Tiller's. We have had a change in system's and while I don't feel that is the main reason for his performance, I do believe it causes some sort of confusion even if he does not neccessarily know it. When your knowledge of the system is not exactly automatic, you will not perform your best. Having said this, if he comes out against Kent St. and Army and plays similarily and god forbid we lose both games, this could change if there is reason to believe in Tiller. I believe that Kent St. and Army are two teams we should beat and I think beat pretty easily if we can pull it together.

    The one thing that bothered me is that we did not run the ball enough. We had success running. Now, who knows, maybe that success would have dwindled but I don't think we went to that well enough. Since we didn't run we didn't have a ton of PA opportunities and I believe that is something we need to be very successful with this offense.



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    Re: One Thing to Consider with AA

    I disagree with the decision to pull AA. Pulling AA without letting him do something postive, and not putting him back in when Tiller misfired seems to have made AA a scapegoat for the debacle we are calling a game. The coaches did not have a much better game than AA and they were still in at the end of the game...



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