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    Anyone see this this morning? It was about these coaching search firms in which the athletic director hires them to find candidates for the vacant coaching position at their school. From the report, it sounds like these fees for this service can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000+.

    They showed all the teams logos who have used these services within the last 5 years or something like that, and sure enough I saw Iowa State's.

    Just wondering what other people thought about this. I don't know quite how I feel yet. I don't remember hearing anything about this doing our coach searches. All I remember is how everyone was blown away with how quickly and secretly Pollard did his search. Turns out he wasn't the one doing it, in fact, he was paying a decent sum of money to have someone else do his job.....

    Anyway, thoughts?



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    A lot of time they use these services for things like background checks and resume verification.




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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by clonefan_80 View Post
    Anyone see this this morning? It was about these coaching search firms in which the athletic director hires them to find candidates for the vacant coaching position at their school. From the report, it sounds like these fees for this service can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000+.

    They showed all the teams logos who have used these services within the last 5 years or something like that, and sure enough I saw Iowa State's.

    Just wondering what other people thought about this. I don't know quite how I feel yet. I don't remember hearing anything about this doing our coach searches. All I remember is how everyone was blown away with how quickly and secretly Pollard did his search. Turns out he wasn't the one doing it, in fact, he was paying a decent sum of money to have someone else do his job.....

    Anyway, thoughts?
    I'm pretty sure it has been well known that Pollard uses these search firms. I'm not too concerned about it as long as we're closer to the $10,000 end and not the $100,000 end.

    I hope he didn't use them when getting GMac though. That one shouldn't have required too much searching on his part.

    If Rhoads gets us back to bowl games... it was worth every penny IMO.



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    I'm pretty sure it has been well known that Pollard uses these search firms. I'm not too concerned about it as long as we're closer to the $10,000 end and not the $100,000 end.

    I hope he didn't use them when getting GMac though. That one shouldn't have required too much searching on his part.

    If Rhoads gets us back to bowl games... it was worth every penny IMO.
    I didn't realize it was well-known he used these firms. I'm not trying to be a Pollard hater here, I just didn't know.

    If I were to guess, I bet we relied on them much more for the Chizik hire than any of our other hires, just because of the lack of ISU ties he had.



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by clonefan_80 View Post
    I didn't realize it was well-known he used these firms. I'm not trying to be a Pollard hater here, I just didn't know.

    If I were to guess, I bet we relied on them much more for the Chizik hire than any of our other hires, just because of the lack of ISU ties he had.
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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    I was about to post the same thing, I had no idea this went on.

    The description of the search firm's job (indentifying candidates, doing background checks, deciding who would be best fit for the program, ect.) sure sounds alot like an AD's job...



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    A search firm can contact coaches easier than an AD. An AD needs to get permission to talk to a coach. Also the coach can say I haven't been contacted by 'insert school name'.


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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Standard practices that have been going on for years. Started with Lawyers and Alumni, has now progressed to a independent firms to keep things more on the up and up....



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    I thought this was common knowledge.

    With JP's hires thus far, I'm betting the firms were used to be the middle man in communication, so that the coaches weren't directly communicating with an AD of another school.

    I highly doubt he used one in the MBB coaching search, as McDermott came to him, by all reports.

    I'm sure one was used to get Chizik. I'm not certain one was used to get Rhoads. I thought I heard that Rhoads' situation was more like McDermott's, in that he contacted JP directly about the job.



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    While I'm not a huge fan of these search firms, the reality is they are best way to conduct a search for major universities.

    As someone stated earlier, the search firms allow coaches who are currently employed to let universities with coaching vacancies know they might be interested in the vacancy without making it public. They also allow the university with the vacant position to interview the candidates in private. In short, the search firms protect the confidentiality of the candidates and the AD's.



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneML View Post
    in the business world, you get a refund or stop using their service when they deliver a bad egg to you.
    I would think that scenario would be more a "buyer beware" type of thing. Seeing as Chiz had never held a head coaching job before, all Pollard had to go on was the information he was given, and ultimately it was his decision to hire Chizik.

    Just because Chizik was a "bad egg" doesn't mean that whomever ISU hired to do the searching wasn't doing their jobs.



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    If I recall, it was the search firm the first time around who told us to stay as far away from Bo Pelini as possible. Does anyone recall this?



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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    A lot of time they use these services for things like background checks and resume verification.
    Which is very important if we want to avoid this

    ESPN.com: NCB - Fayetteville State fires coach over false degree on resume


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    Re: Outside the Lines Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    I was about to post the same thing, I had no idea this went on.

    The description of the search firm's job (indentifying candidates, doing background checks, deciding who would be best fit for the program, ect.) sure sounds alot like an AD's job...
    When you are putting the program in the hands of a guy who will have the most direct impact on the financial health of the Athletic Dept you better know damn well what the guy is about and how he matches the program. Using a search firm isn't a bad idea when it comes to football. You are investing millions. Unfortunately like anything else it isn't a 100% risk free deal as we saw with Chizdick. His references were great etc.... but the guy was a snake. That is probably one of the few things that they can't find out for you....



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    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    Let's not forget about George O'Leary.... His debacle at Notre Dumb not only made the University look like a joke (It does anyway) but it also made him look like a real idiot.



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