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    Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Really wonder how all of Johnny's recruits would have ranked using today's rating services? We didn't have the luxury(some would view it as a curse) back in those days.

    Jeff Grayer and Fred Hoiberg were two of Johnny's biggest. Yeah Hornacek was great but a relative unknown when he came to ISU believe it or not. While he had horses, I think Johnny built a lot of his teams around what would be viewed as mediocre players in todays world.

    Really wish some times we could go back to those days. Fans were easier to please and you could really savor the victory's.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Really wonder how all of Johnny's recruits would have ranked using today's rating services? We didn't have the luxury(some would view it as a curse) back in those days.

    Jeff Grayer and Fred Hoiberg were two of Johnny's biggest. Yeah Hornacek was great but a relative unknown when he came to ISU believe it or not. While he had horses, I think Johnny built a lot of his teams around what would be viewed as mediocre players in todays world.

    Really wish some times we could go back to those days. Fans were easier to please and you could really savor the victory's.
    I disagree. Many of Johnny's top recruits were being recruited by other elite schools...we were competing with teams like Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois, and Memphis State for recruits on a regular basis. All of these programs were very strong back in the 80s. We also got quality transfers from other elite programs like Illinois.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Really wonder how all of Johnny's recruits would have ranked using today's rating services? We didn't have the luxury(some would view it as a curse) back in those days.

    Jeff Grayer and Fred Hoiberg were two of Johnny's biggest. Yeah Hornacek was great but a relative unknown when he came to ISU believe it or not. While he had horses, I think Johnny built a lot of his teams around what would be viewed as mediocre players in todays world.

    Really wish some times we could go back to those days. Fans were easier to please and you could really savor the victory's.
    Understatement of the century. The comparison would be if John Neal was still playing in the NBA. Hornacek was a walk-on.




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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    No, Johnny's top recruits were highly thought of.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by pulse View Post
    No, Johnny's top recruits were highly thought of.
    Hey never said they werent'. I'm saying the bulk of the team was made up of more "normal" kids(kinda like our team today.)



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    To me, it just shows how important getting a "pipeline" is...Flint, MI was pretty good to Johnny.


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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Hey never said they werent'. I'm saying the bulk of the team was made up of more "normal" kids(kinda like our team today.)
    Aren't most teams made up of "normal" kids. It only takes a couple of great recruits to make a good team, with the rest being "normal".

    You only remember Grayer and Hoiberg, but those 2 aren't the only good recruits Johnny got.

    Sam Mack (yes Sam Mack)
    Ronnie Harris
    Victor Alexander
    Barry Stevens
    Justice Thigpen
    Loren Meyer



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by pulse View Post
    Aren't most teams made up of "normal" kids. It only takes a couple of great recruits to make a good team, with the rest being "normal".

    You only remember Grayer and Hoiberg, but those 2 aren't the only good recruits Johnny got.

    Sam Mack (yes Sam Mack)
    Ronnie Harris
    Victor Alexander
    Barry Stevens
    Justice Thigpen
    Loren Meyer
    Thank you for proving my point. You don't have to have 10 top 150 players on a team to do well.

    Back in those days we really didn't know how the players were ranked relative to other teams across the land.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    I would think the Sam Mack, Norman Brown, Victor Alexander class would have ranked right up there. Have to do a little "Googling" to see if and where there are old files with recruiting class rankings from those years.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Grayer would have been a 5 star
    Hoiberg a low 5 star possibly high 5 star
    Hurl Beachum would have been top 150
    Lafester Rhodes was actually a huge recruit. Probably 4 star
    Sam Mack was a huge recruit.
    Big Vic was a 4 star type player.
    Hornacek was a walkon but he was known. Probably a 3 star player
    Barry Stevens was probably a 3 or 4 star guy. Ended up a 5 star in my book.
    Ronnie Virgil 3 star type guy.
    Elmer Robinson 3 or 4 star guy
    Loren Meyer was a 4 star guy
    Julius was probably a 2 star guy since nobody knew who he was.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Thank you for proving my point. You don't have to have 10 top 150 players on a team to do well.

    Back in those days we really didn't know how the players were ranked relative to other teams across the land.
    That was your point? It's as clear as mud in the original post, which is why everyone is giving you examples. You need 2-3 great players and then a couple of role players if you want to be good. My point is that JO recruited players, who in today's arbitrary dumb stars world that some people love, who would have been 'noticed' by the monkey recruiting sites because other top schools were looking at them too.


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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh33 View Post
    I would think the Sam Mack, Norman Brown, Victor Alexander class would have ranked right up there. Have to do a little "Googling" to see if and where there are old files with recruiting class rankings from those years.
    Don't forget about Mark Baugh, he would have been in that class also, ended up flunking out of school.


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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    People forget about Gary Thompkins; he was one of the highest-rated recruits Johnny ever signed for ISU.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Thompkins would have been high.



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    Re: Johnny Orr's Recruits

    Clearly, everyone is pointing out that Johnny knew how to spot and recruit talent.

    Back then, you may not have had this arbitrary star system invoked by a bunch of so-called recruiting experts but you knew who your competition was and if you were recruiting a guy that was choosing between Michigan and ISU...you had a pretty good idea that the guy was a player.

    Johnny also didn't waste scholarships on guys like Eikmeier...he would have a guy like that walk-on and if he proved to be good enough later he would put him on scholarship.



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