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    Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    I was listening to Murph and Andy Wednesday with DM Register sports editor Bryce Miller on. They were talking about if Iowa could win the Big 12 North title.

    I'm not going to get into that, but during this the point was made that the Big 12 defenses were bad last year. Murph said that is why he did not vote for Bradford in the Heisman voting.

    I say that's a bunch of crock. I admit ISU's defense was horrid last year -- and the Clones didn't help out the Big 12 average, but still Iowa could only score one offensive touchdown on ISU's defense.

    Murph pointed out what Florida did to Oklahoma. Well if that's the case, look what six other teams did to the Big 10 conference bowl teams.

    Anyone else have a thought on that, whether the Big 12 defenses sucked or that the offenses were just that good?



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Combination. If you look at the performance of the Big 12 defenses in all of the bowl games they compare very well to other conferences. OU getting spanked in a bowl should surprise no one unfortunately.




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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    The offenses were very good. The defenses were mediocre at best.

    Iowa's D may have been better than some of the D's in the Big XII, but they just wouldn't score enough points to stay in contention. Big XII equals offense, Big 10 equals defense. What do they both have in common? They both get their butts handed to them by the SEC...



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Average points against From 3 years of bowl games:

    2008-09: BigTen 30; Big12 22.4
    2007-08: BigTen 33.4; Big12: 27.3
    2006-07: BigTen 28.6; Big12: 26.6

    How are them apples?

    Average points scored From 3 years of bowl games:

    2008-09: BigTen 20.4; Big12 28.7
    2007-08: BigTen 30.3; Big12: 33.1
    2006-07: BigTen 29.3; Big12: 30.6


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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Per last year the offenses in the Big XII were wild (arena ball). Chizik was an idiot for not seeing this coming. He did well against more conventional and bad offenses in the non conference and Colorado, but the rest was beyond him. He should have forfeited his pay for the season for being such a dope. I am sure McFarland and Bolt were thinking things could have been done differently and under their combinded leadership I am ISU could have won one maybe two conference games.

    Per Iowa and last year, they had better coaching and better penetration to the QB, but the problem is the ball would always be gone by the time they could get to any opposing QB and someone like Griffith at Baylor (the usual old Big XII QB style) would be long down field. Iowa would have been rolled in a couple games and probably lost a close one at home to someone like Nebraska or KU or perhaps a road game, but they would have also found a way to win close games unlike ISU and certainly would have finished better. ISU's schedule was not that tough - 2 games, we just had a bad HC.



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by anticyclonic View Post
    Per last year the offenses in the Big XII were wild (arena ball). Chizik was an idiot for not seeing this coming. He did well against more conventional and bad offenses in the non conference and Colorado, but the rest was beyond him. He should have forfeited his pay for the season for being such a dope. I am sure McFarland and Bolt were thinking things could have been done differently and under their combinded leadership I am ISU could have won one maybe two conference games.

    Per Iowa and last year, they had better coaching and better penetration to the QB, but the problem is the ball would always be gone by the time they could get to any opposing QB and someone like Griffith at Baylor (the usual old Big XII QB style) would be long down field. Iowa would have been rolled in a couple games and probably lost a close one at home to someone like Nebraska or KU or perhaps a road game, but they would have also found a way to win close games unlike ISU and certainly would have finished better. ISU's schedule was not that tough - 2 games, we just had a bad HC.
    actually... last year was a down year for scoring in bowl games from previous years for the Big12 and the Defenses of the Big12 were better than prior years...

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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    Average points against From 3 years of bowl games:

    2008-09: BigTen 30; Big12 22.4
    2007-08: BigTen 33.4; Big12: 27.3
    2006-07: BigTen 28.6; Big12: 26.6

    How are them apples?

    Average points scored From 3 years of bowl games:

    2008-09: BigTen 20.4; Big12 28.7
    2007-08: BigTen 30.3; Big12: 33.1
    2006-07: BigTen 29.3; Big12: 30.6
    Nice! Good stats.. but i still think bowl games are overrated conference comparisons.



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by AustinCyclone View Post
    The offenses were very good. The defenses were mediocre at best.

    Iowa's D may have been better than some of the D's in the Big XII, but they just wouldn't score enough points to stay in contention. Big XII equals offense, Big 10 equals defense. What do they both have in common? They both get their butts handed to them by the SEC...
    Agree completely.



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    Nice! Good stats.. but i still think bowl games are overrated conference comparisons.
    Can you tell us what is a good conference comparison?

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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by AustinCyclone View Post
    The offenses were very good. The defenses were mediocre at best.

    Iowa's D may have been better than some of the D's in the Big XII, but they just wouldn't score enough points to stay in contention. Big XII equals offense, Big 10 equals defense. What do they both have in common? They both get their butts handed to them by the SEC...

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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    The Big XII had a lot of offensive talent last year. The d's were average and it showed.

    In short, Big XII had average Ds and great Os last year.

    The Big X had medicore Ds and bad O's last year.


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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Florida State 42, Wisconsin 13
    Missouri 30, Northwestern 23
    Oregon 42, Oklahoma State 31
    Kansas 42, Minnesota 21
    Iowa 31, South Carolina 10
    Georgia 24, Michigan State 12
    Nebraska 26, Clemson 21
    USC 38, Penn State 24
    Ole Miss 47, Texas Tech 34
    Texas 24, Ohio State 21
    Florida 24, Oklahoma 14


    Big 10: 145 - 210 (7 bowls)
    Big 12: 201 - 199 (7 bowls)

    It's a ridiculous comparison, but since Murphy made it first..Big 12 schools scored more points and allowed less points in the same number of bowls. Not to mention in head-to-head match-ups against the Big 10 we came out ahead 96-65. Silly sports reporters...

    EDIT: Keep made his comparison while I was adding up all the stats, good one!!



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    Combination. If you look at the performance of the Big 12 defenses in all of the bowl games they compare very well to other conferences. OU getting spanked in a bowl should surprise no one unfortunately.
    OU got spanked last year? I must have missed that



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    OU got spanked last year? I must have missed that
    Beat me to it, 85. Not a whole lot of difference between those two teams in the game that I watched...



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    Re: Bad defenses, or excellent offenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    Can you tell us what is a good conference comparison?

    -keep
    There isn't one. I think the conferences are relatively equal, however. The Big 10 is down as a whole obviously, but they aren't completely outmatched like Big 12/SEC fans like to think.

    Bowl games aren't always matched up correctly. Some teams play well against certain teams.

    If the Big 10 had won some of their lower tier bowl games, and their overall record had been say 3-3 because they snuck out a few close wins, then suddenly the Big 10 is better..?

    Strictly basing on W/L records is rediculous. A game between to very equal teams ends with a game winning field goal. Does that make that winning team better? Only a little...



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