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    Texas and Florida recruits

    13 of the 24 recruits are from Texas and Florida has ISU ever had that many in one class from those two states?



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    I think the way that you can tell McCarney is gone is that we've filled out our classes with second tier southern kids instead of second tier Iowa kids. Have we had this few home grown signees in the last ten years?



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Good to see the guys from the football powerhouse states on the list of signees. I think we will see more and more of this in the next few years.

    2nd and 3rd tier kids from Texas and Florida are pretty darn good players.



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    The lack of in state kids isn't a big deal. Plug the holes and worry about the other stuff next year. There just wasn't the time to worry about it. I'm sure that anybody that's worth a look will get it in the future.



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by cys_av8r View Post
    Good to see the guys from the football powerhouse states on the list of signees. I think we will see more and more of this in the next few years.

    2nd and 3rd tier kids from Texas and Florida are pretty darn good players.
    Agreed.

    I do want Chizik to continue to work those in-state guys and start landing a few of the best ones. And I think he will.

    For this year, under the time crunch, he went after where he was comfortable. His connections in Florida and Texas. I'd do the same thing.

    Plus, he put together a nifty class of Florida and Texas "rejects".



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Please, don't take my observation as a knock on not recruiting Iowa kids. Actually, it was a compliment to Chizik. I'm not sure McCarney could have landed those kids.

    Not to knock Iowa high school football, but I think that McCarney took quite a few kids that wouldn't have gotten a D-1 offer elsewhere just to fill out his classes. In Chizik's world, I think a lot of these kids would have had to walk on and earn the free ride.

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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Iowa's high schools produce only a handful of D1 recruits every year, if that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see us go after the top few and then the others can walk on or go somewhere else. I always thought that there was too much emphasis on the in state recruiting. If they are good enough then lets go after them. If not...ehh. Just because they are from within our borders doesnt mean we have to take a look at them.


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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperCy View Post
    Iowa's high schools produce only a handful of D1 recruits every year, if that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see us go after the top few and then the others can walk on or go somewhere else. I always thought that there was too much emphasis on the in state recruiting. If they are good enough then lets go after them. In not...ehh. Just because they are from within our borders doesnt mean we have to take a look at them.
    Great post. My exact sentiments.



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Everyone needs to remember that in-state recruiting has financial impacts also. Seeing a local product on the field puts fans in the stands. Winning does also, but this part cannot be overlooked either.



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    In state scholarships are also cheaper, I believe. But it's winning that has the greatest financial impact by far.

    I'd rather see us take our chances on Fla. and Texas kids, than in-state guys who will never see the field (see OL recruiting from the past five years).



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Dan really emphasized Iowa and the midwest too much, to the point that he took kids that were not big 12 caliber, he took mid tier Iowa guys over other mid tier guys because they were Iowans, why waste schollies on those guys, I really don't think he was a good recruiter, at least he got to take most of this recruiting season off, man. You look at some of the kids he has given scholarships to in Iowa, man, not great, he has probably gotten more out of walk-ons in Iowa than he ever has out of scholarship players.
    Meyer-great get
    Blythe-great get
    Moses- good get
    Scales-good get, but injury prone
    Coleman-good get, but needed an attitude adjustment
    Brant-decent get, but didn't really pan out
    Zehr-decent get, not as good as he could have been
    Taylor-we will see, he has some time to prove himself
    Sandvig-too early to tell, hopefully he finds a position
    Eboh- idiot, could have been good
    Ferguson- so far a horrible get
    J. Smith-good talent, should be good
    Carper- good talent, will prolly turn out good
    Goos-bad
    Streit-bad
    Schmeling-sort of okay
    Scherbring-never panned out, was a stretch
    Griebahn- ummm, no better than a walk-on that is for sure
    Flander- that sure worked out
    Arnaud- too early
    Frere- not very good
    Other Frere- too early, might pan out
    Hulbert- I think he is too skinny, and too slow
    Lamaak-I think was a get, but he wasn't a scholarship player, walk-on, should have been
    Neal-as long as he doesn't have to shoot three pointers we should be alright, ohh wrong Neal, too early
    Kanwishcer-bust
    Mahoski-hasn't panned out yet
    Kuehl-bad
    Main-bad
    Barkema-good
    Cook-bad
    Mechaelsen-not scholarship worthy
    Schrage-got hurt
    Tjaden-bad
    So in the last four years this is how many scholarships we have given(waster) on Iowans
    So out of 33 guys in four years, I would say aroudn 15 or 16 deserved a scholarship, so there you go!


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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd9046 View Post
    Everyone needs to remember that in-state recruiting has financial impacts also. Seeing a local product on the field puts fans in the stands. Winning does also, but this part cannot be overlooked either.

    I tend to disagree, W's put behinds in the stands, period. If they are local kids helping out, great, if not, I don't think the average ISU fan cares whether a player is from Madrid, Iowa or Madrid, Spain- just as long as they can hit, block, throw, catch and tackle well enough to help ISU become a contender in the Big 12. See the 99-00 basketball team. Was there anyone in the top 8 players from Iowa? Pardon me if I'm not recalling anyone, no one comes to mind.

    ISU needs to keep a very strong walk-on program to allow the Lane Danielsen's of the world to make it big time in the program, but I agree with all of you, a 2nd-tier FL, TX, or CA recruit is still probably going to help more than an Iowa kid who's only D-I offer was from ISU. There will always be exceptions to this, but overall this is usually the case. You have to think about who those FL, TX and CA kids were playing against every friday night vs. the level of competition in Iowa.


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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Easy boys. Where in my post does it read "let's only recruit in-state"? It simply stated that it cannot be overlooked. Period.



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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Please, don't take my observation as a knock on not recruiting Iowa kids. Actually, it was a compliment to Chizik. I'm not sure McCarney could have landed those kids.

    Not to knock Iowa high school football, but I think that McCarney took quite a few kids that wouldn't have gotten a D-1 offer elsewhere just to fill out his classes. In Chizik's world, I think a lot of these kids would have had to walk on and earn the free ride.

    Whitey
    Jordan Bernstine was the only 4 star recruit in Iowa. Expect no more than 10 Div 1 recruits per year from Iowa. That is not enough to fill the roster.


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    Re: Texas and Florida recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperCy View Post
    Iowa's high schools produce only a handful of D1 recruits every year, if that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see us go after the top few and then the others can walk on or go somewhere else. I always thought that there was too much emphasis on the in state recruiting. If they are good enough then lets go after them. In not...ehh. Just because they are from within our borders doesnt mean we have to take a look at them.
    I bet UNI is liking this. I thought their coach was quoted as saying "they are all at ISU and UI" when he first took the job and was asked about why there was not many state of Iowa kids in his first couple of recruiting classes. I took that to mean several were walking on at the D1 schools but maybe he meant DM would give kids a scholly that were maginal D1 recruits.



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