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    ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

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    Ames, Ia. — Gene Chizik will end up with a top five recruiting class, according to a football recruiting expert.

    A top five junior-college recruiting class, that is.

    Brad Hoiseth, publisher of JCGridiron.com said many of the at least 11 transfers Iowa State’s new coach will reveal at 3 p.m. Wednesday have the potential to be immediate impact players.

    “Chizik has landed four or five potential superstars from the JUCO ranks,” Hoiseth said.

    Hoiseth said potential stars among the transfers include running back Jamicah Bass of El Camino Community College in Torrance, Calif., linebacker Michael Bibbs of Copiah Lincoln Community College in Wesson, Miss., cornerback Allen Bell of Independence (Kan.) Community College, and offensive lineman Joe Blaes of Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College.

    Read complete football signing day coverage in tomorrow’s Register.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    It's nice somebody besides us thinks so. He refers to "at least 11". I think Rivals lists 10 transfers: Alvarez, Blaes, Dedrick, McMahon, Bass, Bell(Allen), Bibbs, Franklin, Tate, and Weir. I may have missed someone, and, perhaps there are more yet to come.


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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    It should be a pretty good class for what we need and the position we're in.

    I personally think JUCO players in football are incredibly under-rated. While you obviously don't want to overload on them, it's not as bad as basketball since you have so many more scholarships and players. With basketball, you can have some drastic drop-offs once JUCO's graduate but with football you have a legit chance to get quality HS players in for year two and have them ready to play year three when the JUCO's graduate.

    The benefits of JUCO's are you get immediate help from players with experience. JUCO ball is far from Big XII action but it's at least another year or two of experience that HS players wouldn't have. Right now we need that extra shot in the arm. Not to mention the good HS players for next year are all taken, JUCO players go much later in the recruiting process for most schools.

    Obviously the downfalls are that you lose those players after two years but the key for ISU is finding that perfect balance. Not many players are Big XII caliber right out of college so they usually only start two years anyways. The trick is only getting JUCO's that you really think can play most of the minutes and not to get bench warmers. It does no good to waste the scholarships on JUCOs that you can't develop. It's better to take chances on HS players that you can try and teach/train.

    To me it's a dead giveaway that ISU should have one of the top classes in the country for JUCO players, it's what we needed.


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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Right now we need that extra shot in the arm.


    To me it's a dead giveaway that ISU should have one of the top classes in the country for JUCO players, it's what we needed.
    Amen. While I don't want us becoming JUCO central, for '07 and likely for '08 - we're going to need that help in order to be competitive.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    We don't want to take the title away from Kansas State as JUCO U, hoefully these guys will be a quick fix and in the coming years we have more high school kids that will be around to play for four years.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Unfortunately I see us needing to use the JUCO ranks for a few years. It is tough to get out of the cycle when you basically loose 1 1/2 recruiting classes in a single year. You will always need to keep filling in the immediate needs with more JUCO's. You just don't have time to wait for the freshman to develop. Especially when you will only have 10 to 12 kids at the Junior level in a couple of years. I personally could care less where the players come from as long as the can play the game.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Juco's are fine as long as you get impact players. Most freshman take a few years to develop anyway, and wont play their first few years. With the redshirt, you may get two or 3 years out of them. If the Juco is ready to play now, its not much different.

    You just have to be wise with which Juco's you recruit.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Quote Originally Posted by puckwarrior View Post
    Unfortunately I see us needing to use the JUCO ranks for a few years. It is tough to get out of the cycle when you basically loose 1 1/2 recruiting classes in a single year. You will always need to keep filling in the immediate needs with more JUCO's. You just don't have time to wait for the freshman to develop. Especially when you will only have 10 to 12 kids at the Junior level in a couple of years. I personally could care less where the players come from as long as the can play the game.

    Good assessment. We will need Juco's more heavily for a couple of years, but if we can get a mix of some impact Juco's and a sprinkling of bigger time freshman we can right the ship quickly. I don't really care if they are JUCO either as long as they qualify and can play. In the longer run we will be better off with a smaller mix of JUCO, but I think that is a few years away.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Remember that some jucos have three years of eligibility and not just two.



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    Re: ISU's Chizik lands group of JUCO 'superstars'

    Good point JCloned and ColoradoClone.

    If you find the right mix, you'll have success.

    Don't waste scholarships on HS players that probably won't make an impact, use them on JUCOs. Similarly, don't waste sholarships on JUCO players that won't make an impact, go the HS route instead. If you have to take a chance, better to do with HS players so you have some extra time for them to grow.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

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