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    CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Up front, I'm not one who has much problem with the BCS. Frankly, ISU is never in the mix - so I don't really care that much about it.

    But everyone else does. Most notable reason why? Somebody is always seemingly getting "screwed". Sometimes perhaps even several.

    Obviously - a playoff is the ONLY solution.

    So for you proponents of a playoff proponents.... explain to me how you select the teams for an 8 or 16 team playoff so I don't have to hear any longer of how so-and-so got screwed out of a championship.

    I don't even care to understand how the bowls continue on with marquee matchups. Just the simple selection process.


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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    I think the basic idea is conference champions + a small set of at-large. If the total is big enough, the top teams get a bye.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    All I know is that from the age of 3 to life: kids in Texas football always have a playoff system.
    Even the high school playoffs is nuts in Texas. They play months later than HS in Iowa do.
    I don't know the fix for NCAA but I know that they seem to make it work at every other level, so there must be a way for D1....



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Use the same process in place today to get the top 6 BCS teams.

    #7 really has no arguement to say they could legitemently have a decent shot at the championship.

    You will get the top team out of that system.


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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    16 teams...

    All 11 conferences have to send their conference champion. After that, you use the BCS rating system to select the highest seeded 5 teams that are not their conference champion. You then seed all 16 based off their BCS ranking.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    16 teams

    Big East, ACC, SEC, Big XII, Big 10, Pac-10 champions - 6 teams

    8 at-large teams. Highest ranked non conference champions

    2 teams selected by a committee.


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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    16 teams...

    All 11 conferences have to send their conference champion. After that, you use the BCS rating system to select the highest seeded 5 teams that are not their conference champion. You then seed all 16 based off their BCS ranking.
    I have to go with this. If you are going to do a real playoff I think you need to include all conference champions. If you can't win your own conference, you have no beef. The few at-large teams can take care of situations where there may be gray area.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    You guys don't think that the selection of a handful of at larges will be fuel for all kinds of pissin' and moanin'?

    I like the idea of conference champs being in the mix - too bad there isn't a way to limit it to them alone. Although being conference champ kinda negates the non-conference slate.

    Of course, that most likely means Notre Dame has to join a conference, and the Big 10 probably needs a playoff (which IMO they do anyway)



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    I'm in favor of a playoff somehow but.....IMO it's almost impossible logistically.

    It would be extremely hard for fanbases of schools to travel across the country in consecutive weeks to support their teams. 35k fans can easily travel for a game in Florida 1 week, but would they be able to travel to one in Texas the next, and Phoenix the following?

    You would have to have home-field games for the higher-seeds or something along those lines.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    I'm in favor of a playoff somehow but.....IMO it's almost impossible logistically.

    It would be extremely hard for fanbases of schools to travel across the country in consecutive weeks to support their teams. 35k fans can easily travel for a game in Florida 1 week, but would they be able to travel to one in Texas the next, and Phoenix the following?

    You would have to have home-field games for the higher-seeds or something along those lines.
    This. Until the semis.


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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    16 teams...

    All 11 conferences have to send their conference champion. After that, you use the BCS rating system to select the highest seeded 5 teams that are not their conference champion. You then seed all 16 based off their BCS ranking.
    This is what it would of looked like last year (at the end of the regular season)...

    ACC- V. Tech (BCS#19)
    Big 12- OU (BCS#1)
    Big East - Cinci (BCS#12)
    Big 10 - Penn St (BCS#8)
    Conf USA - East Carolina (BCS NR)
    MAC - Buffalo (BCS NR)
    Mont. West - Utah (BCS#6)
    Pac 10 - USC (BCS#5)
    SEC - Florida (BCS#2)
    Sun Belt - Troy (BCS NR)
    WAC - Boise State (BCS#9)

    At Larges-
    Texas (BCS#3)
    Bama (BCS#4)
    Texas Tech (BCS#7)
    Ohio State (BCS#10)
    TCU (BCS#11)

    First round match ups-

    1-OU
    16-Troy

    8-Penn St.
    9-Boise St.


    4-Bama
    13- V. Tech

    5-USC
    12-Cinci


    6-Utah
    11-TCU

    3-Texas
    14-East Carolina


    7-Texas Tech
    10-Ohio State

    2-Florida
    15- Buffalo


    This puts the top 12 BCS rated teams in the playoff, with a few "cinderella" chances. There should be no complaining about teams getting snubbed.


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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    That would be sweet, but unfortunately that many games to the title would be logistically impossible.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by delt4cy View Post
    That would be sweet, but unfortunately that many games to the title would be logistically impossible.
    Than how is the FCS (D-II) doing it?



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    16 teams...

    All 11 conferences have to send their conference champion. After that, you use the BCS rating system to select the highest seeded 5 teams that are not their conference champion. You then seed all 16 based off their BCS ranking.
    This would certainly be workable, but the only way to do it fairly would be to force the Little 11, the Pac 10, etc. into a conference championship game.

    As this concept moves forward, I honestly can see some additional conference realigning in the future. The gap between the BCS conferences and the non-BCS conferences has, without question, closed over the past half dozen or so years and I can see some schools such as Utah, making pitches to become members of more prominent conferences. A scenerio where we had a number of 12-team super conferences (divided into two divisions with championship games) might put us in a situation where you have only eight or nine conference champions to deal with. That would certainly make a playoff system much easier, logistically.

    None of the arguments against a playoff however, hold any water, what-so-ever. It is done at every other level of the NCAA as well as at the NAIA level. Play the early round games at the highest seeded team's stadium or if that is too difficult, home dates could be selected by lottery or by alternating years or some other method. The semi-finals and finals could be played at what used to be the major bowl sites. The bowl games could be like the NIT of college football.

    It can and will work.



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    Re: CFB PLAYOFFS - how do you select the teams?

    (May have to start the season a week earlier, have league title games on Thanksgiving weekend, and start the bracket the first week of December. That gives an extra week between the quarterfinals and semifinals to allow for final exams.)

    Automatic Selection - conference champions (11 teams)
    ACC - Virginia Tech
    Big East - Cincinnati
    Big 12 - Oklahoma
    Big Ten - Penn State
    CUSA - East Carolina
    MAC - Buffalo
    Mountain West - Utah
    Pac-10 - USC
    SEC - Florida
    Sun Belt - Troy
    WAC - Boise State

    Notre Dame - 9 wins?
    No.

    At-Large Pool - 10+ wins, or loser in conference title game (10 teams)
    ACC - Boston College
    Big East - none
    Big 12 - Missouri, Texas, Texas Tech
    Big Ten - Ohio State
    CUSA - Tulsa
    MAC - Ball State
    Mountain West - TCU, BYU
    Pac-10 - none
    SEC - Alabama
    Sun Belt - none
    WAC - none

    *Seed top 8 conference champs; Other champs plus At-Large seeded #9-16 (done by BCS ranking for this proposal)
    *First two rounds played at higher seed's home site
    *Lower-seeded teams may be adjusted a line to avoid conference matchups in first round

    Dec. 13, 2008 - First Round, at higher seed
    (1) Oklahoma vs. (16) Buffalo
    (8) Virginia Tech vs. (9) Texas
    (5) Penn State vs. (12) TCU
    (4) Utah vs. (13) Ohio State
    (3) USC vs. (14) East Carolina
    (6) Boise State vs. (11) Texas Tech
    (7) Cincinnati vs. (10) Alabama
    (2) Florida vs. (15) Troy

    Dec. 20, 2008 - Quarterfinals, at higher seed
    1/16 vs. 8/9
    5/12 vs. 4/13
    3/14 vs. 6/11
    7/10 vs. 2/15

    Jan. 1, 2009 - Semifinals
    Semifinal 1 - at New Orleans
    Semifinal 2 - at Glendale, Ariz.

    Jan. 8, 2009 - National Championship
    Championship - at Miami



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