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    What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Let's steal some ideas from soccer - FOX Sports on MSN

    When I first read this I was skeptical, but after reading his explanation, I think it is something we should atleast consider, especially relegation and a transfer window.


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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    i like the first and last ideas, the in season tourneys could be either great or terrible.



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    I didn't read the third one, but the first two ideas did nothing for me. If smaller market teams think it's hard to acquire free agents now, wait until that happens.

    The argument that they'll get money back, yeah that's well and good, but who is to say those owners will put that money back into the club? Baseball owners get revenue sharing now, and some of the owners just pocket it.

    The Teixeira example is stupid, anyway. If that system was in place, the Rangers wouldn't have traded him to Atlanta. Do you think it would be more exciting to have an auction for players, or to have superstars changing teams at the trade deadline for a championship run?



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    You lost me at soc


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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Lesson 1: How to suck.



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Transfers only make sense in a league with no salary cap like baseball. Bad idea in any other major league in the country. Relegation would never happen because the owners would never agree to it. And I fail to see how an in season tourney would be any more meaningful than a regular season game to most teams.




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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

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    You lost me at soc
    LOL, Glad I wasn't the only one.



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Which paragraph was "thuggery"?




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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    And I fail to see how an in season tourney would be any more meaningful than a regular season game to most teams.
    No one would buy into the fact that midseason tourneys mean a thing. A big part of sports is history. Just randomly adding other "champions" wouldn't do much of anything. MLB had a hard enough time getting people to give a crap about the WBC. It didn't work on this guy, and baseball is easily my favorite sport.



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    What if we had relegation in college sports? Take the top 20 teams and form one division, the next 20 and form the second division, etc. You move up and down based on finishing in the top or bottom of your division. Throw in some mid-season tournaments where teams from every group get in and see how it plays out. Interesting concept...



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

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    a midseason round robin would be nice


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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Does this involve falling down and crying? Or a tiny stretcher? Love that thing.



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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

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    What if we had relegation in college sports? Take the top 20 teams and form one division, the next 20 and form the second division, etc. You move up and down based on finishing in the top or bottom of your division. Throw in some mid-season tournaments where teams from every group get in and see how it plays out. Interesting concept...
    So far, you guys are convincing me that European sports suck.

    I like traditional rivalries, and in a down year would rather not spend half the season playing the likes of the Colorado School of Mines.




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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    While interesting ideas, I don't see how any of the three could realistically work in the American market.

    1. Transfer rights is interesting, but whenever you hear about transferal of players, it's always about how a team from one league in one nation sells to another team in another league in another nation - such as ManU selling Ronaldo to Real Madrid. You would never see ManU selling a player to Arsenal nor Real Madrid buying from Barcelona. The problem with American sports is for the big four (MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL), there are no "worldwide parallels" that would make such a deal workable. There are existing professional leagues around the world in baseball (notable Japan), basketball (all over Europe), and hockey (most notably Russia), but the problem is it's not truly parallel - MLB, NBA, and NHL are clearly the premier leagues in the world, where trying to determine whether EPL, Bundesliga, or Serie A was the world's "premier" league would most likely end up in a ******* match. And further, the NFL clearly has no equal league anywhere in the world.

    2. While intra-league transferral could potentially work here in the US, in-season tournaments would not work for US sports for the very same reasons why I listed in #1. In-season tournaments are not of one national league - the successful ones (most notably, the Champions League) are multinational.

    3. Relegation is the one that I would love to see applied to pro sports in the US, but once again, I'm not necessarily sure it could or would work with our pro sports setup here. The reason why I say that is because of predetermined confereces and divisions based on geography. The European soccer leagues all play in a league that is not divided up by conferences. Every single sport in the United States is broken up into conferences and divisions based on geography (while conferences aren't necessarily geographical (NBA and NHL are while MLB and NFL aren't), all of the divisions are geography-based). Now, in the given example, say the Nationals were to be relegated in favor of the Toledo Mudhens. Geographically that would be fairly in context. However, say the team to take the Nationals' place is the AAA team from Salt Lake City. Could you realistically place them in the NL East (and suffer through many of the same criticisms throughout the '80s and '90s of the Atlana Braves playing in the NL West) - or are you going to realign your conferences/divisions each and every year to allow relegation to work properly - thus doing away the very reason for having geographical-based divisions in the first place (the development and maintaining of regional rivalries)? And, throwing the regional division argument away, while it could work in MLB and NHL (due to the fact that they have AAA and AHL, respectively), it would never work for NBA and NFL (neither of them have "developmental" leagues) - and you would have to dispose of the "farm systems" that are AAA and AHL respectively because you couldn't very well potentially compete against your own farm system at the same level.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the concepts. It just wouldn't work here in the US.


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    Re: What American Sports Can Learn From European Soccer

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    So far, you guys are convincing me that European sports suck.

    I like traditional rivalries, and in a down year would rather not spend half the season playing the likes of the Colorado School of Mines.
    I thought they were mimes....


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