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    Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Sorry if this has already been posted:

    "Here's a look at the Big 12's new coaches, Iowa State coach Paul Rhoads and Kansas State coach Bill Snyder, and their chances of turning around their struggling programs."


    Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09 - Big 12 - ESPN



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Hard to hear that KSU has much better chance at good season in year one
    than ISU. ISU has fallen a lo....ong ways. Sad. Talking last week to a former all american offensive lineman from ISU and he is quite optomistic about this coaching staff. Won't be overnight success though.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by safmusic View Post
    Hard to hear that KSU has much better chance at good season in year one
    than ISU. ISU has fallen a lo....ong ways. Sad. Talking last week to a former all american offensive lineman from ISU and he is quite optomistic about this coaching staff. Won't be overnight success though.
    I'm not expecting overnight success but 7 wins and a warm bowl game isn't too much to ask.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Ok, I follow ISU football from afar...now can someone here who can get past the ZOMG I HATE GENE CHIZEK MENTION HIM AND DIE mentality explain to me why talent is perceived as down? I thought the one thing he had done well was actually recruiting a couple young classes.

    Gotta agree with the poor tackling from what I saw though. That's easily overcome with good coaching.

    I kind of thought the success in 2005 was as much an overall drought in the North coupled with good timing of a decent ISU crop of players peaking as much as anything.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by egami View Post
    Ok, I follow ISU football from afar...now can someone here who can get past the ZOMG I HATE GENE CHIZEK MENTION HIM AND DIE mentality explain to me why talent is perceived as down? I thought the one thing he had done well was actually recruiting a couple young classes.

    Gotta agree with the poor tackling from what I saw though. That's easily overcome with good coaching.

    I kind of thought the success in 2005 was as much an overall drought in the North coupled with good timing of a decent ISU crop of players peaking as much as anything.
    We went 2-1 against the South that year as well and **** housed the #8 team (albeit they weren't really that good) and lost a very close game to the #12 team. ISU had a good team in 2005.


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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    We went 2-1 against the South that year as well and **** housed the #8 team (albeit they weren't really that good) and lost a very close game to the #12 team. ISU had a good team in 2005.
    Yeah, you guys were "good" just like I had previously said. However, the rest of the North was down, and did you beat a team in the South that had a winning record? I don't remember...maybe you did.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    It's pretty easy to see why K-State can rebound quicker than us. Snyder has been there before. Rhoads has not. As we have seen in the past, no head coaching experience can be a huge issue the first few years.

    Also, it's Tim Griffin, if you're from the South or a 90s powerhouse you're automatically qualified to win the Big XII in the future.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by egami View Post
    Yeah, you guys were "good" just like I had previously said. However, the rest of the North was down, and did you beat a team in the South that had a winning record? I don't remember...maybe you did.
    No. We beat Texas A&M (5-6) and Oklahoma State (4-7), and neither finished with a winning record. We also lost at JT to Baylor (5-6) -- probably the most embarrassing loss in recent memory, given that it was Baylor's first ever road win in the Big 12 and all our other losses that year were on the road in overtime.

    Thinking about our highs and lows in 2005 is extremely sickening. It was the quintessential "what if" season for ISU -- every imaginable frustration we've had bottled up into a span of 12 definitive games.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by egami View Post
    Ok, I follow ISU football from afar...now can someone here who can get past the ZOMG I HATE GENE CHIZEK MENTION HIM AND DIE mentality explain to me why talent is perceived as down? I thought the one thing he had done well was actually recruiting a couple young classes.

    Gotta agree with the poor tackling from what I saw though. That's easily overcome with good coaching.

    I kind of thought the success in 2005 was as much an overall drought in the North coupled with good timing of a decent ISU crop of players peaking as much as anything.
    I think that Chizik did do a good job of recruiting talent. The problem is that Mac didn't. ISU doesn't have a lot of upperclassmen talent and therefore little overall depth.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    I think that Chizik did do a good job of recruiting talent. The problem is that Mac didn't. ISU doesn't have a lot of upperclassmen talent and therefore little overall depth.
    So there is still some young talent...that makes sense, so it's not like there is a 3/4 year wait to see what this coach can do, maybe just 2/3 year to get a decent feel.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal&gold View Post
    No. We beat Texas A&M (5-6) and Oklahoma State (4-7), and neither finished with a winning record. We also lost at JT to Baylor (5-6) -- probably the most embarrassing loss in recent memory, given that it was Baylor's first ever road win in the Big 12 and all our other losses that year were on the road in overtime.

    Thinking about our highs and lows in 2005 is extremely sickening. It was the quintessential "what if" season for ISU -- every imaginable frustration we've had bottled up into a span of 12 definitive games.
    Yeah, that's kind of how I remembered it. It was the perfect opportunity for a team that was on a good year in a down conference with a good schedule.

    I mean, reading the article someone might come away with the impression you were a perennial contender in the North. It's not like you guys are down like Nebraska went down. Which may be both good and bad...personally, I like the situation ISU is in now coaching-wise. It was an awkward road to get there with the Chizek thing, but I think you guys should be optimistic.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Looks like a pretty good analysis to me other then I don't think KSU in any better boat than we are. Still you have the Schneiders past good work helping their cause while Rhoads is largely unproven.

    It puts us in an underdog role and I don't think that's all bad right now. If we would have had a better defense last year, it would have put us in a better light.

    I'm going to be very interested to see how our defense looks this year. Totally different system and I like to think it can't get any worse than what we saw last year.


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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    I understand his logic, but I think that 1 win in the Big 12 is way too low.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by safmusic View Post
    Hard to hear that KSU has much better chance at good season in year one
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    KSU has fallen ALOT further than ISU. They were a Top 10 program if you will recall.



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    Re: Analyzing Rhoads' and Snyder's chances for success in '09

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    KSU has fallen ALOT further than ISU. They were a Top 10 program if you will recall.

    Ask any self-respecting k-state mildcat fan, and they will tell ya that they expect to beat you in kc this year!!!


    In his first round it sure didnt take bill snyder 5 years to get it done at kstate so I think that the mildcats can win 8 games and go to a bowl game this year!!!!



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