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    Suspensions in baseball

    I've been thinking about this while watching the Cubs/Dodgers today. Manny Ramirez got suspended 50 games for using a masking agent for steroids. He cheated, and got caught.

    The Dodgers were able to replace him on the roster, and so still have a full complement of 25 players.

    Carlos Zambrano was suspened for 6 games for arguing a close play at the plate, and touching the umps forehead with his hat, along with other histrionics.

    The Cubs are not allowed to call anyone up to replace him on the roster, and are thus playing with 24 guys, which could be a problem in late-game situations.

    The Dodgers are able to bring up a replacement for a guy who cheated and got caught, and the Cubs aren't able to replace a guy who threw a hissy fit? How is this fair?

    Maybe if MLB decreed that players who were suspended for cheating would no longer be allowed to be replaced on the roster, guys would stop doping.



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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Good question. Maybe it's related to the length of Manny's suspension.


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    You have a very good point there. Another thing to think about that drives me crazy is the suspensions for pitchers. Not wanting to single out Zambrano because there have been a million other examples but why do they suspend him 6 days? That is 1 game in the rotation? If that's what they wanted to do just suspend him for his next start. If you suspend a 1B 6 days, that's most likely 6 games. I don't wanna see Zambrano punished anymore, he deserves to miss one start, I just don't get the whole X days suspensions with starting pitchers when it only equates to a game per 5 day suspension.



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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik4Cy View Post
    You have a very good point there. Another thing to think about that drives me crazy is the suspensions for pitchers. Not wanting to single out Zambrano because there have been a million other examples but why do they suspend him 6 days? That is 1 game in the rotation? If that's what they wanted to do just suspend him for his next start. If you suspend a 1B 6 days, that's most likely 6 games. I don't wanna see Zambrano punished anymore, he deserves to miss one start, I just don't get the whole X days suspensions with starting pitchers when it only equates to a game per 5 day suspension.
    But it equates to 6 days without pay, doesn't it?


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    as a dodger fan - quit crying ... plus your a hawk get over it
    might also have to do with the fact that a pitcher plays once every 5-6 days/games and manny was playing every day .... also does zambrano get to be apart of the team? i know manny is severly limited in what he can and cannot do ....


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Good question. Maybe it's related to the length of Manny's suspension.
    To me, it doesn't matter. If you cheat and get caught, your team should be forced to play a man down for the length of the suspension.

    The only rule I know about guys being called up or sent down is that when a guy is sent down, it has to be for at least 10 days, unless there is an injury. That happened this week with the Cubs when they sent down Cotts and Scales, and put Miles on the DL. Scales got a reprieve the very next day when Freel went on the DL, and got to stay with the big club.



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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    But it equates to 6 days without pay, doesn't it?
    IIRC, this is the answer. I seem to remember hearing it discussed sometime last year during a game where one of the teams had a suspended pitcher. Can't remember who or what team, but I'm pretty sure the pay of six days vs the pay of one start was the reasoning for six days.

    Edit: Guess I was wrong, as corrected by someone below. I heard wrong :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    To me, it doesn't matter. If you cheat and get caught, your team should be forced to play a man down for the length of the suspension.

    The only rule I know about guys being called up or sent down is that when a guy is sent down, it has to be for at least 10 days, unless there is an injury. That happened this week with the Cubs when they sent down Cotts and Scales, and put Miles on the DL. Scales got a reprieve the very next day when Freel went on the DL, and got to stay with the big club.
    I agree about the penalty for the team that has the suspended player. This is my best attempt for logic.

    Just for fun, would this apply to arrested Hawkeyes? Sorry, just feeling that one.


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by StormnClone58 View Post
    as a dodger fan - quit crying ... plus your a hawk get over it
    might also have to do with the fact that a pitcher plays once every 5-6 days/games and manny was playing every day .... also does zambrano get to be apart of the team? i know manny is severly limited in what he can and cannot do ....
    Manny used a female fertility drug commonly used as a masking agent for steroids - he cheated.

    Zambrano ejected an umpire.



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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    Manny used a female fertility drug commonly used as a masking agent for steroids - he cheated.

    Zambrano ejected an umpire.
    I frankly would support making Zambrano the Player of the Week for ejecting the umpire. That was a classic moment!


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    But it equates to 6 days without pay, doesn't it?
    No. Unless it's for a failed drug test, you do not forfeit any salary in MLB during suspensions.

    EDIT: The reason it's 6 instead of 5 is because the the Cubs off day on Monday, thus guarantees him to miss a start.


    Last edited by jtd9046; 05-30-2009 at 06:11 PM.

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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd9046 View Post
    No. Unless it's for a failed drug test, you do not forfeit any salary in MLB during suspensions.

    EDIT: The reason it's 6 instead of 5 is because the the Cubs off day on Monday, thus guarantees him to miss a start.
    I do believe however, that there is an automatic fine that goes with any suspensions, the money going to the charity of the player's or team's choice, depending on how the system is set up with each franchise.


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    First of all, right or wrong, umpires are sacred. They are a protected commodity, and rightfully so. If a player makes a mistake, an error, a baserunning gaff, leaves runners in scoring position, he goes on. Umpires miscues are more glaring because they possibly have more impact on the outcome of the game, like last night in the Dodgers-Cubs game, when first Juan Pierre is given a called strike on a bunt attempt he didn't offer at and was hit on the knee by the pitch, which should have put him on first, advancing the tying run to second with no outs. Then, he was called out on a close double play when the replay clearly showed he beat the throw, keeping one of the premier baserunners in the game off of the bases when he also represented the tying run. That takes a lot of presssure off the pitcher, not having to worry about a runner.

    You simply can't make umpires sacrificial lambs for players who throw fits, their place in the game is much too important.


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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Being suspended for actions on the baseball field is a little different than being suspended for something that occured off the field



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    Re: Suspensions in baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by hurdleisu24 View Post
    Being suspended for actions on the baseball field is a little different than being suspended for something that occured off the field
    Even if what happened off the field is cheating?



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