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    Replacing Kock

    Our next Cyclone fullback has some big shoes to fill. Ryan Kock did anything and everything he was asked to do - and then some.

    How fitting was it for a guy that was a 1-2 yard scoring machine - on his final day in Cardinal & Gold - went bezerk for over 170 yards leading the team to victory and it's only Big 12 win. Big-n-bad #31 will be missed.

    The only fullback on our roster right now is Steven Ebner (#45), a senior this fall from Sioux City East. When I observed a few practices and a pair of scrimmages last fall I thought this kid would see the field in '06. He was mean and was a load. Not as big as heavy as Kock - yet he was a bit more stocky being a couple inches shorter and only a few pounds lighter. Like Kock, the Ebner looked like he loved to hit people and ran guys over frequently when carrying the ball. I really liked what I saw from him.

    At the end of last season there were rumors that Kris Means may convert from linebacker to fullback. I'm not sure this will happen now with the new staff and the recent opening at linebacker. While any position will be open this fall, I expect Bowen to keep his yet the other two should be up for grabs. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Means either get one of them or be in a solid rotation.

    So has anyone else heard rumors of anyone converting to fullback? Any word on incoming recruits that will battle for the position?



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    I'm wondering, if Chiz is planning on spreading it out so much, how much will a fullback be utilized in his offense?




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    Re: Replacing Kock

    I'd like to see someone who can catch the ball so we could have more than two plays when running I or offset-I formations. I wouldn't rule out a tight end being moved to that position.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Pretty easy to replace Ryan on the field considering he was not remotely utilized and received little PT. So I would say that replacing him will be easy. Off the field and in the locker room, not so easy.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Quote Originally Posted by GoShow97 View Post
    Pretty easy to replace Ryan on the field considering he was not remotely utilized and received little PT. So I would say that replacing him will be easy. Off the field and in the locker room, not so easy.
    I'd hardly say Kock received little playing time.

    Kock's Cyclone bio

    Kock's ESPN stats

    While I think based on his production in '06 we could've been getting him the ball more - scoring 13 TD's in '05 and 6 this past season doesn't make him "not remotely utilized".

    Especially when he was tied for 2nd on the team with TD's in '06 and led the team last season.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    I'd hardly say Kock received little playing time.

    Kock's Cyclone bio

    Kock's ESPN stats

    While I think based on his production in '06 we could've been getting him the ball more - scoring 13 TD's in '05 and 6 this past season doesn't make him "not remotely utilized".

    Especially when he was tied for 2nd on the team with TD's in '06 and led the team last season.
    You are not exposing any new information. Your grasp on the obvious is underwhelming. Sorry I canít help you understand that these numbers:

    2003 8 30 3.8 8 0 3 6 2.0 4 0 0 0
    2004 3 7 2.3 6 1 1 3 3.0 3 0 0 0
    2005 54 129 2.4 8 13 1 6 6.0 5 0 0 0
    2006 74 332 4.5 24 6 6 82 13.7 28 0 0 0

    Do show that Ryan was not utilized very much. Goal line from time to time Yes. Anytime else not so much. Subtract the last MU game and it really becomes clear that Ryan was under utilized.

    I will also add that you may want to compare these numbers with other teams FB's and then tell me that Kock was utilized a great deal. Please report your findings.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Just as they say in star wars: there is another. Taylor Mansfield walked on last year as a fullback. He is number 26 and goes close to 250 pounds. He is bigger than Kock as a redshirt freshmen and his body fat is rediculously low for how big he is. State Heavyweight champ at Decorah, All-State Football and Track, and the next FB for ISU! No offense to Steve Ebner.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    I have heard that RS Freshman walk on Taylor Mansfield may start next year...(that was during last season, with the old staff) he's from a neighboring town to mine, and I can assure you he is a beast. Absolutely ripped, weighs like 250, state champion wrestler. Never seen him play football, but I like to think he's got a shot at starting.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    In the last 2 years Kock had more TD's than any player on the team and he set a school record for TD's for a fullback in '05. But yea, he was vastly underused.

    I had forgotten about Mansfield - he's not listed on the ISU roster at cyclones.com.

    I like the sounds of having a guy weighting 250 at that position. If he can move, he could be a nice asset for us this fall.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Love how people claim that Ryan Kock was this break out superstar burried on our bench because he had a 80 yard game vs one of the worst teams in america and a good game vs a crappy Mizzou defense. He played a big role his junior and senior year.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    In the last 2 years Kock had more TD's than any player on the team and he set a school record for TD's for a fullback in '05. But yea, he was vastly underused.

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    Making the statement that Kock was utilized soley based on his TD production is a bit foolish.
    If you want to play that game take a look at the NCAA touchdown leaders. Now tell us all again how much Kock was utilized based on scoring 20 career TDs.

    Rushing Touchdowns
    Rk Player, School Yrs No
    1 Travis Prentice, Miami-OH 1996-99 73
    2 Ricky Williams, Texas 1995-98 72
    3 Anthony Thompson, Indiana 1986-89 64
    4 Ron Dayne, Wisconsin 1996-99 63
    5 Eric Crouch, Nebraska 1998-01 59

    Touchdown Receptions
    Rk Player, School Yrs No
    1 Troy Edwards, La. Tech 1996-98 50
    2 Aaron Turner, Pacific 1989-92 43
    3 Ryan Yarborough, Wyoming 1990-93 42
    4 Clarkston Hines, Duke 1986-89 38
    Marcus Harris, Wyoming 1993-96 38

    Touchdown Passes
    Rk Player, School Yrs No
    1 Ty Detmer, BYU 1988-91 121
    2 Tim Rattay, La. Tech 1997-99 115
    3 Danny Wuerffel, Florida 1993-96 114
    4 Chad Pennington, Marshall 1997-99 100
    5 David Klingler, Houston 1988-91 91

    But hey you never seem to let the facts get in the way of having a misinformed opinion.

    But back to your question, Kock will be replaced with out missing a beat.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Puh-lease.

    Show me where I compared Kock to guys like Ricky Williams, Chad Pennington, Troy Edwards, etc.

    We're talking about his impact on ISU and what his departure will mean for ISU in '07.


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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Puh-lease.

    Show me where I compared Kock to guys like Ricky Williams, Chad Pennington, Troy Edwards, etc.

    We're talking about his impact on ISU and what his departure will mean for ISU in '07.


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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Kock was vastly underused. Just because he was scoring touchdowns doesn't mean he was being used properly. You could have plugged in Ebner in goal line situations and probably got the same TD stats as Kock. Other than his last couple games, I don't see losing Kock as that big of a deal. It's not like he was the only guy that could run for one yard for a TD. Don't get me wrong, Kock was a good player but his impact was very limited other than when he was the featured back.



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    Re: Replacing Kock

    Mac did not want to hurt Stevie's feelings because Ryan was faster to the hole.


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