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    2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Matt Stafford, Jason Smith, other NFL draft prospects*as recruits - Andy Staples - SI.com

    just goes to show that Scout and Rivals don't always know what they're talking about


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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Aaron Curry was only a 2 star! that is impressive seeing how much is gettting talked about right now. Hopefully some 2 or 3 star will turn out big at Iowa State, like Bob Sanders or something


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    Star rankings vs. draft rankings

    With all the debate about HS rankings, I found this very interesting:

    Matt Stafford, Jason Smith, other NFL draft prospects*as recruits - Andy Staples - SI.com



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    Re: Star rankings vs. draft rankings

    What I think you have to account for is 3-4 years in college you can develop and improve. Where you are when you're 18 is different than when you're 22 with a sport like football.

    That said, I think Matthew Stafford will be a huge bust in the draft. I think he makes too many mistakes and isn't really able to carry a team. I hope for his sake, the Lions do not take him....



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    Re: Star rankings vs. draft rankings

    people dont realize that the first round average stars (as graded by SI.com) was 3.59. That is a pretty decent number. Sure you can get guys like clay mathews who graded a 0 but it is not a science. They do a pretty decent job of predicting success, better than you or I.



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Is it coaching or is it the players that sends them to stardome



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal&Gold11 View Post
    Aaron Curry was only a 2 star! that is impressive seeing how much is gettting talked about right now. Hopefully some 2 or 3 star will turn out big at Iowa State, like Bob Sanders or something
    ?????Bob Sanders???? Iowa State????



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave19642006 View Post
    ?????Bob Sanders???? Iowa State????
    The idea was that a player who turns out like Sanders did will come through Ames. Sanders wasn't recruited by anyone, and I don't even think the Iowa coaches were looking for him when they saw him on film. They were looking at a quarterback or something like that, and Bob was on the tape.

    You might have a Sanders-type player in Leonard Johnson. If Deandre Jackson hadn't gotten hurt, he might be in the NFL as well.



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    ahhhhh ok thanks



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    and a lot of first round draft picks are busts so apparently NFL scouts make mistakes too



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    I think the most impressive on this list is Clay Matthews who went from a walk-on, with only 1 scholarship offer to Idaho, to a 1st round draft pick who, in my opinion, will do very well in the NFL!



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    Re: Star rankings vs. draft rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    people dont realize that the first round average stars (as graded by SI.com) was 3.59. That is a pretty decent number. Sure you can get guys like clay mathews who graded a 0 but it is not a science. They do a pretty decent job of predicting success, better than you or I.
    +1

    They do an amazing job of rating a huge pool of players who play all over the country against a wide variety of competition. Sure there are players who blossom late and are exceptions but for every one of them there are 25 or 50 that the ratings services get right. Rubes like to pick out the exception as "proof" that the services "don't know what they're doing", but the facts say otherwise when you compare college team recruiting rankings with performance and player recruiting rankings with the NFL draft, as you did. Of course the rubes who like to criticize the recruiting ranking services are also the same ones who wet their pants when we sign a 4- or 5-star player, which is hypocrisy at it's finest.


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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    I think the most impressive on this list is Clay Matthews who went from a walk-on, with only 1 scholarship offer to Idaho, to a 1st round draft pick who, in my opinion, will do very well in the NFL!

    Talked to my buddy who plays(ed) for Navy (he is transferring to I-AA, really likes UNI) and he plays with one of Matthews's HS teammates who says the guy juices hardcore.



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    Talked to my buddy who plays(ed) for Navy (he is transferring to I-AA, really likes UNI) and he plays with one of Matthews's HS teammates who says the guy juices hardcore.

    Check that; he said Cushing.

    it's ridiculous. i've got a friend that went to school and played with brian cushing usc lb. and he said that he roids out of his mind. testing is ridiculous. everyone gets around this ****



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    Re: 2009 NFL Draft picks before they were stars

    Quote Originally Posted by TarHeelHawk View Post
    The idea was that a player who turns out like Sanders did will come through Ames. Sanders wasn't recruited by anyone, and I don't even think the Iowa coaches were looking for him when they saw him on film. They were looking at a quarterback or something like that, and Bob was on the tape.

    You might have a Sanders-type player in Leonard Johnson. If Deandre Jackson hadn't gotten hurt, he might be in the NFL as well.
    Good post here. I think Sanders was recruited by a MAC school or something like that as a preferred walk on? Clearyly one or two coaches missed out on him.

    I think Jackson would have had a long career in the NFL had it not been for that OU game a few years ago. I think he would have been a guy that could take the #2 receiver out of the game for his first few years and then played some Nickel and Dime his last few seasons. I appreciate the time, sweat, blood and tears Deandre put in at ISU.



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