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    Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    I apologize if this has been posted already. A buddy of mine mentioned this article to me. Its terrifying what actually happened.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...terstitialskip

    It amazes me how stories change so much over time.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Yeah, that new book by Dave Cullen is getting really good reviews. I'd like to read that one.


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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    "At the time, Columbine became a kind of giant national Rorschach test. Observers saw its genesis in just about everything: lax parenting, lax gun laws, progressive schooling, repressive school culture, violent video games, antidepressant drugs and rock 'n' roll, for starters. "

    This really ticked me off when this happened. Its still going on.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    I apologize if this has been posted already. A buddy of mine mentioned this article to me. Its terrifying what actually happened.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...terstitialskip

    It amazes me how stories change so much over time.
    I read that yesterday. Very interesting. The one I always heard so much about is the girl who was killed for apparently saying she believed in God, now the FBI says that isn't true. I remember I think it was her dad that came and talked at CY Stephens years ago about that, kind of different if it turns out to be not true.


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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    I apologize if this has been posted already. A buddy of mine mentioned this article to me. Its terrifying what actually happened.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...terstitialskip

    It amazes me how stories change so much over time.
    That's absolutely terrifying - the whole idea of a sociopath like Harris, or Ted Bundy, or any of countless others is just scary. Someone who can put on a happy face and convince the whole world that they're a model citizen, all while having those thoughts and actions going on in private.

    You kind of have to assume that Harris was the leader of the two, looking at the personalities described in that article (and assuming it's correct). There was a similar situation (on a much smaller scale) involving two kids from my hometown, and you always kind of guessed who was the leader. The thing was, he was just a really nice guy with a lot of demons.


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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    When I was a social worker, I was referred to a family where I was to work with a 10 year old boy that had repeatedly tried to kick his pregnant mom in the belly to kill his unborn stepsister. As I worked with him, I got some very bad vibes that he was a sociopath...they are the creepiest of creepy. I left that job a couple of years later, and had always sworn that I'd see this kid on the news someday. I know that he's since done jail time, but I still fear the worst hasn't come out of him yet.


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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Wow...displaces some common perceptions of the two.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by isucyfan View Post
    When I was a social worker, I was referred to a family where I was to work with a 10 year old boy that had repeatedly tried to kick his pregnant mom in the belly to kill his unborn stepsister. As I worked with him, I got some very bad vibes that he was a sociopath...they are the creepiest of creepy. I left that job a couple of years later, and had always sworn that I'd see this kid on the news someday. I know that he's since done jail time, but I still fear the worst hasn't come out of him yet.

    Yep, there is absolutely no help for sociopaths. I feel that they are a twisted soul, evil. They have no remorse, no heart, no want for redemption in any form. You never know who they are until they do something.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    "At the time, Columbine became a kind of giant national Rorschach test. Observers saw its genesis in just about everything: lax parenting, lax gun laws, progressive schooling, repressive school culture, violent video games, antidepressant drugs and rock 'n' roll, for starters. "

    This really ticked me off when this happened. Its still going on.
    I absolutely hate it when video games, D&D, rock music, etc. get blamed for violent stuff kids do. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that anything could have stopped the Columbine killings.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    I apologize if this has been posted already. A buddy of mine mentioned this article to me. Its terrifying what actually happened.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...terstitialskip

    It amazes me how stories change so much over time.
    A related story also is in this week's Newsweek. It's based on two pastors who had different roles following the incident and how their actions and others' reactions to them changed their lives.
    Two Pastors Haunted by Columbine | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostinelosd View Post
    Yep, there is absolutely no help for sociopaths. I feel that they are a twisted soul, evil. They have no remorse, no heart, no want for redemption in any form. You never know who they are until they do something.
    Hey, Bos, the kid I am talking about lives in your neck of the woods, too! I'm glad I'm miles away from him. He's probably 22-23 yrs. old now. He once put a kitten in a black trash bag, and tied it up tight, just for fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by isucyfan View Post
    Hey, Bos, the kid I am talking about lives in your neck of the woods, too! I'm glad I'm miles away from him. He's probably 22-23 yrs. old now. He once put a kitten in a black trash bag, and tied it up tight, just for fun.

    Great thanks. Now I wont let my kids out of the house. He is probably going to end up like Adam Moss. Put ole Iowa on the map again for what he did.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    I live across the street from Columbine High School. I have become friends with several of the former students that were in school that fateful day. They talk about it with me from time to time. My job and company were and are still directly effected by the events that occurred on that day.

    Hindsight is 20/20. What is more unfortunate is that the Jefferson County SWAT team has been needed to go into schools since that day..



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    I hate it also when they blame it on the music and video games. I listen to Hatebreed, Slipknot, Manson, Pantera, and many other heavy groups. A lot of them are about killing and so on. Not one time have I thought about killing someone for no reason. I really think it has nothing to do with it.

    This was a sad case of two kids who figured out that they both wanted to kill people. I mean what are the chances of two people who meet and the one thing they can agree on is that they want to kill people. Expecially teens. Then they both have to agree that suicide would be the best way to get out of it. It's just bizarre.



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    Re: Columbine, 10 years later. What really happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    I hate it also when they blame it on the music and video games. I listen to Hatebreed, Slipknot, Manson, Pantera, and many other heavy groups. A lot of them are about killing and so on. Not one time have I thought about killing someone for no reason. I really think it has nothing to do with it.

    This was a sad case of two kids who figured out that they both wanted to kill people. I mean what are the chances of two people who meet and the one thing they can agree on is that they want to kill people. Expecially teens. Then they both have to agree that suicide would be the best way to get out of it. It's just bizarre.

    Well the two kids were opposite personalities it seems. One was a sociopath. He found weakness in the other and manipulated it I believe. Its pretty easy to follow someone who makes you feel like the questionable thoughts in your head are ok and should be leaned on. Honestly there was probably a point in which the one could have been helped with counseling, but the other there was no chance.



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