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    Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Just found this article on ESPN. I don't always agree with Chris Low, but I like the way he thinks in this article:

    Majors belongs in Hall of Fame as coach - College Football Nation - ESPN

    even if we only get a small mention, it's always nice to see an ISU coach considered for hall-of-fame status.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by synapticwave View Post
    Just found this article on ESPN. I don't always agree with Chris Low, but I like the way he thinks in this article:

    Majors belongs in Hall of Fame as coach - College Football Nation - ESPN

    even if we only get a small mention, it's always nice to see an ISU coach considered for hall-of-fame status.
    Great honor.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Congrats to Coach Majors.... I cant believe people like Lou "lispy" Holtz Call ISU a coaching graveyard. Here you go Dr Lispy Lou...

    1.Johnny Majors
    2.Earl Bruce
    3.Jimmy Johnson
    4.Mack Brown
    5.Pete Carroll
    6.Joe Bugel
    7.John Fox
    8...........................Robert McFarland

    Later...



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimesCy View Post
    Congrats to Coach Majors.... I cant believe people like Lou "lispy" Holtz Call ISU a coaching graveyard. Here you go Dr Lispy Lou...

    1.Johnny Majors
    2.Earl Bruce
    3.Jimmy Johnson
    4.Mack Brown
    5.Pete Carroll
    6.Joe Bugel
    7.John Fox
    8...........................Robert McFarland

    Later...
    and only 2 of those were HC at ISU. He was right.

    Majors had a sub .500 winning pct here, and so did Bruce. Both of them were lucky they were given second chances elsewhere.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    and only 2 of those were HC at ISU. He was right.

    Majors had a sub .500 winning pct here, and so did Bruce. Both of them were lucky they were given second chances elsewhere.
    No, he wasn't. It is more accurate to say ISU is a coaching stepping stone than a graveyard. Majors and Bruce were far from lucky. They were great coaches. Great enough that Pitt and tOSU recognized what they had done here, hired them, and were happy they did.

    Notre Dame is a coaching graveyard. How are Bob Davey's and Ty Willingham's coaching careers going?

    Last time I checked Dan McCarney had a NC ring. I'd assume he's enjoying his coaching career after ISU.


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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by weR138 View Post
    Last time I checked Dan McCarney had a NC ring. I'd assume he's enjoying his coaching career after ISU.
    Yeah, I'm real sure that his goal was to be coaching DL after being a DI head coach at a school in a major conference.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    Yeah, I'm real sure that his goal was to be coaching DL after being a DI head coach at a school in a major conference.
    I can't speak to McCarney's goals. I do know that he won a national championship while the DL / Assistant Head Coach at a college in the best college football conference in America. He's the former ISU head coach and his coaching career is very much alive. This make Holtz wrong in his characterization of ISU as a coaching "graveyard" and it makes you wrong for agreeing with him.


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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    and only 2 of those were HC at ISU. He was right.

    Majors had a sub .500 winning pct here, and so did Bruce. Both of them were lucky they were given second chances elsewhere.
    Bruce was 36-32 while here (4-7,4-7,8-3 no bowl) 8-4,8-4) and was the only person considered to replace Woody Hayes so your thoery of him being lucky may be a little too strong.

    Majors knew he was not long here (later admitted that was a mistake) and was BEGGED to go to Pitt and had a national championship within 4 years. He did a nice(but not great) job a Tenessee and had the table set for some great things until Phil Fullmer stabbed him in the back and had him thrown out following Majors recovery from heatlh issue.

    The reason ISU has been down on its luck is because of a lack of support across campus. (at least the kind necessary to move forward)There has always been resistance to ISU investing in athletics from the faculty senate and Gordon Eaton nearly destroyed ISU athletics in the 1980's and early 90's. Pres. Jishke (sp) saw the importance of athletics and we are fortunate that Pres. Geoffery does as well. (very fortunate)

    If you couple the support issue w/ a few bad hires (Duncan instead of Cooper, Criner, etc...) You will see why we never took advantage of a new FB stadium, new arena, big time FB program and twenty straight losing seasons in Iowa City. It is a sad story really and it is one that we have yet to recover from.

    The day that Pres. Geoffery leaves will be a sad day for ISU athletics. IMO



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimesCy View Post
    Congrats to Coach Majors.... I cant believe people like Lou "lispy" Holtz Call ISU a coaching graveyard. Here you go Dr Lispy Lou...

    1.Johnny Majors
    2.Earl Bruce
    3.Jimmy Johnson
    4.Mack Brown
    5.Pete Carroll
    6.Joe Bugel
    7.John Fox
    8...........................Robert McFarland

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    what about the chiz. Coaching graveyard my ***. Apparently no matter how bad you do here you can move up to college football's elite. I'd say we may be the safest job in college football after what happened to the chiz.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimesCy View Post
    Congrats to Coach Majors.... I cant believe people like Lou "lispy" Holtz Call ISU a coaching graveyard. Here you go Dr Lispy Lou...

    1.Johnny Majors
    2.Earl Bruce
    3.Jimmy Johnson
    4.Mack Brown
    5.Pete Carroll
    6.Joe Bugel
    7.John Fox
    8...........................Robert McFarland

    Later...
    1. Glenn Pop Warner



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Mowilly View Post
    Bruce was 36-32 while here (4-7,4-7,8-3 no bowl) 8-4,8-4) and was the only person considered to replace Woody Hayes so your thoery of him being lucky may be a little too strong.
    I was looking at his conference record instead of his overall record. my bad there.

    Still, two coaches to go on and have success other places isnt a real strong tradition of successful life after ISU. What about Criner, Duncan, Walden, Stapelton, Myers (had another HC job at TAMU but blew there too), Stuber, and DiFrancesca (the post WWII coaches)?

    The only coaches besides Bruce and Majors to leave and have any relative success other places are DanMac and Vinny DiFrancesca; Both of which took what are essentially demotions in mac's move to a position coach, and vinny's move to a DIII school albeit a tough one to coach at in the CCIW. Chizik got lucky.

    ISU is a coaching graveyard whether you can see that through your Cardinal (rose) tinted glasses or not. It does not have to be, and sooner or later someone will come through and turn it around, but who knows when that'll be. Hopefully we have that guy right now.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    [QUOTE=illinoiscyclone;991668]I was looking at his conference record instead of his overall record. my bad there.

    Still, two coaches to go on and have success other places isnt a real strong tradition of successful life after ISU. What about Criner, Duncan, Walden, Stapelton, Myers (had another HC job at TAMU but blew there too), Stuber, and DiFrancesca (the post WWII coaches)?
    now.

    I'm looking at a list with seven names on it.

    What about them? Some sucked, some retired, and at least one had an HC position after ISU.

    You and mush mouth are still wrong about ISU. Stepping stone yes, graveyard no.


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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone View Post
    I was looking at his conference record instead of his overall record. my bad there.

    Still, two coaches to go on and have success other places isnt a real strong tradition of successful life after ISU. What about Criner, Duncan, Walden, Stapelton, Myers (had another HC job at TAMU but blew there too), Stuber, and DiFrancesca (the post WWII coaches)?

    The only coaches besides Bruce and Majors to leave and have any relative success other places are DanMac and Vinny DiFrancesca; Both of which took what are essentially demotions in mac's move to a position coach, and vinny's move to a DIII school albeit a tough one to coach at in the CCIW. Chizik got lucky.

    ISU is a coaching graveyard whether you can see that through your Cardinal (rose) tinted glasses or not. It does not have to be, and sooner or later someone will come through and turn it around, but who knows when that'll be. Hopefully we have that guy right now.
    I don't know if the rose colored glasses comment is for me or not so I will overlook it. I don't discount the lack of success in the past-in fact-certain situations have been at times, like a graveyard due to the factors that I laid out. Having said that, the school is not. Certainly not right now. IMO. You are on the right track until the graveyard remark IMO.

    A graveyard job is a variety of factors and we don't have enough negative factors IMO to be that.

    Iowa was a graveyard job until Hayden. Miami was a graveyard until Schnellenberger. The right coach can have success here.

    With all due respect, you sound like Ron Maly. Are you Ron Maly?



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Mowilly View Post
    I don't know if the rose colored glasses comment is for me or not so I will overlook it. I don't discount the lack of success in the past-in fact-certain situations have been at times, like a graveyard due to the factors that I laid out. Having said that, the school is not. Certainly not right now. IMO. You are on the right track until the graveyard remark IMO.

    A graveyard job is a variety of factors and we don't have enough negative factors IMO to be that.

    Iowa was a graveyard job until Hayden. Miami was a graveyard until Schnellenberger. The right coach can have success here.

    With all due respect, you sound like Ron Maly. Are you Ron Maly?
    dunno who maly is. so, no.



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    Re: Johnny Major in Coach's Hall of Fame

    majors was a mediocre coach-had some success at iowa state and pittsburgh.ended up being an alcoholic at tennessee because he could not win there.


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