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    Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    I got this from a phog.net post which came from a post on the Kentucky board, so I don't have an original link. It's not my original post, but I thought people might find this interesting.

    Here are the Scout rankings of Duke's recruits for the past 5 years:

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    2008
    Elliott Williams- #16 overall
    Miles Plumlee- #40 overall
    Olek Czyz- #93 overall

    2007
    Kyle Singler- #6 overall (I like him, but ahead of Griffin, Patrick Patterson, Harden, Hickson)
    Taylor King- #56 overall (Transferred to Villanova, I think)

    2006
    Gerald Henderson - #15 overall
    Lance Thomas- #18 overall (ahead of Damion James, DaJaun Summers, Earl Clark)
    John Sheyer- #20 overall (ahead of Conley, Augustine, Meeks, Reynolds)
    Brian Zoubek- #38 overall (ahead of Thabeet, Speights, Harangody)

    2005
    Josh McRoberts- #1 overall (lol, the next 8 are in the NBA, or named Hansbrough)
    Greg Paulus- #18 overall (seriously, ahead of Chalmers, Downey, CDR, Collison)
    Eric Boateng- #36 overall (you thought UK's highly touted 04 class underacheived)
    Martynas Pocius- #55 overall (ahead of Big East studs: Young, Fields, McNeal, Adrien)

    2004
    Shaun Livingston- #2 overall (straight pro, couple years, got cut recently)
    DeMarcus Nelson- #30 overall (Im ok with that spot)
    David McClure- #57 overall (one spot behind Horford, ahead of Jeff Green, Noah)

    Now, there's a couple ways this could be interpreted, and it's possible that it's a combination of the two. First, the recruits are overrated because they picked Duke. Second, that Coach K and Duke is not great at helping his players improve or reach their potential.

    Discuss.

    edit: added Gerald Henderson - not sure why he wasn't included on the UK post - one of the few that actually lived up to the hype


    Last edited by kucyclone; 03-31-2009 at 07:51 PM.

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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    There lowest a #57. WOW.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Yikes, not very impressive. Really puts things into prospective and sheds light on to why they can't advance in the NCAA tournament in recent years. Lots of "misses" on that list.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Actually #93 in 2008, but either way, pretty impressive rankings which have equated to not so impressive tournament runs, at least judged by a Dukie standpoint.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    I think it says a LOT about Duke.

    One of 2 things...

    1. They don't scout talent very well. Yeah, they get highly ranked players, but they seem to get the ones that end up being way overrated.

    2. They don't develop talent very well. They are great HS players, but then Duke doesn't turn them into great college players.

    Either way it's not a good sign. Way too many Duke players have not panned out in the NBA lately. You might think I'm crazy, but just take a look sometime.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    You could do this (maybe not to this extent) to any school that consistently gets highly ranked players.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycofan1 View Post
    There lowest a #57. WOW.
    Olek Czyz- #93 overall



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    It's interesting if you look at the UNC commits in a similar time period. It's clear since Roy went to the Tarheels he has out-recruited Coach K, especially when it comes to big guys. Duke has really had problems developing dominant big guys, partly because Steve Wojo is their post coach and he was a 5'9 PG in his playing days.

    If you put a Deon Thompson or Ed Davis from UNC on Duke..they would be quite good, the wings and guards aren't the problem in my opinion. Henderson, Singler, and Scheyer will all be draft picks in the near future.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    I will add a third reason. The academic standards Duke hold student athletes to. Now, I am in no way saying that Dukes athletes are held to the same standards as the rest of their students, however they are held more accountable than a lot of the other powerhouses. Now, take that for what it's worth, but it does cut down their field some. Another thing about their classes is that when you look at their players,save Gerald Henderson, they have a lot of good "basketball players" Not necessarily great athletes. When you look at teams that have caught up (Memphis, Missouri, Louisville, etc.) they have guys that are just physically superior. I think in college basketball nowadays, you need guys that are just spectacular athletes, not just great basketball players. A lot has changed in the last ten years.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    irrelevant but I would take every single one of those recruiting classes at Iowa State. But man, it is kind of telling that something isn't right in Dukieland and that kind of explains why they haven't been a legitimate title contender in about 8 years or so.


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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Quote Originally Posted by brentblum View Post
    It's interesting if you look at the UNC commits in a similar time period. It's clear since Roy went to the Tarheels he has out-recruited Coach K, especially when it comes to big guys. Duke has really had problems developing dominant big guys, partly because Steve Wojo is their post coach and he was a 5'9 PG in his playing days.

    If you put a Deon Thompson or Ed Davis from UNC on Duke..they would be quite good, the wings and guards aren't the problem in my opinion. Henderson, Singler, and Scheyer will all be draft picks in the near future.
    I will be interested to see whether Singler and Scheyer can make it at the next level. Both are above average college players, but I am not sure where they would fit in the NBA. Scheyer is not as good as J.J. Redick, and Redick has been pretty much a bust in the NBA (particularly considering how high he was picked). I don't know if Singler has a position -- not big enough for the 4, too big/slow for the 3.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    I'm pretty sure the reason livingston got cut was because he blew the living dog poo out of his knee (wasn't he the one that went up for an uncontested layup and completely buckled his leg for the clippers?)



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Quote Originally Posted by clone4life82 View Post
    I'm pretty sure the reason livingston got cut was because he blew the living dog poo out of his knee (wasn't he the one that went up for an uncontested layup and completely buckled his leg for the clippers?)
    Yep...quite sad really. He was a special talent, but was never healthy. Same goes for Jay Williams with the motorcycle. Bad luck for a few Duke guys.



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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    The moral of this story... "Dont Go To DUKE!!!"


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    Re: Duke's recruits for the past 5 years

    Not sure where CB, or Hamilton or JVDB were ranked, but stop and think of how those guys looked when they first put on ISU jerseys, and how they performed at the end of last season.

    Like McD's coaching or not, he can develop talent down low. Remember how much better Jiri became? I think if ISU can add that PG that can lock it down and a wing that can create his own shots, you are looking at the start of 20 win seasons at ISU.

    Yes I know my post was off topic.

    As for Duke, wow. Either the rankings are off, or they do not fit the system, or Duke cannot seem to really develop talent anymore. Look at how much Boozer is better in the pros than college, same with Brand. Can anybody name a wing/guard out of Duke that has had much of an NBA career?


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