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    What has happened with college basketball?

    Is anyone else getting extremely frustrated with what college basketball is becoming? There is no loyalty whatsoever anymore and that includes from coaches. If a player can't be a star from game one of his career he either moves on or the coach tells him to find another school. I am old enough to remember the good ole days when there was actually 5-6 seniors to recognize on senior day. The number of four year players at ISU the last 10 years is very small. Very very frustrating.



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by hursts View Post
    Is anyone else getting extremely frustrated with what college basketball is becoming? There is no loyalty whatsoever anymore and that includes from coaches. If a player can't be a star from game one of his career he either moves on or the coach tells him to find another school. I am old enough to remember the good ole days when there was actually 5-6 seniors to recognize on senior day. The number of four year players at ISU the last 10 years is very small. Very very frustrating.
    Happened when basketball became a big money operation, not just at the pro level but at the college level as well. The only way you're going to get looked at, even by foreign leagues, is if you are playing.


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Can we blame AAU programs?

    You're right though, it has definately become a business.



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    I agree with your post, unfortunately we live in me first society. Previous generations were much better at waiting, they may not have liked it, but it was expected. In the world we live in (sports, work, etc) everything is expected to happen much quicker, or it is viewed as a failure. Sad, but I don't see it changing. Tough on young people who have always been the star on the AAU circuit or high school level to wait until it is time for them.
    On a selfish note, makes me proud of someone like Shellie Mosman on the twister sisters that was a star in high school,but is a great representative of the university as a student-athlete. Lots of examples around like her, but unfortunately the other stories get more publicity.


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    The NCAA is the richest, dirtiest not for profit org. in the world. Only the NCAA will be allowed to make money off the athletes, not the athletes or their families.


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    I was always under the impression growing up ...If you're not good enough, get better...

    Not the case anymore, I'm afraid.



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    I was always under the impression growing up ...If you're not good enough, get better...

    Not the case anymore, I'm afraid.
    I honestly have no idea what you mean by this.

    Edit: Nevermind, I was being really thick. I was thinking NCAA wide, you're talking about individual players.


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I honestly have no idea what you mean by this.
    For coaches it's "If you're not good enough, remain that way and we'll keep you around for a decade or until new administration arrives."


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    I think you can thank the NBA for what is happening to college basketball.

    The NBA was not always the big-salaried sport that it has become now, thanks to the money available from tv, merchandise sales, etc. I'm old enough to remember when quite honestly, the players in the NBA did not make all that much money, not even compared to the other pro sports.

    Believe it or not, I can still remember when student-athletes actually wanted to get a degree so they would have something to fall back on in case a career in professional sports did not work out. But I digress.

    I think the NBA is ruining college basketball. All these athletes come in to school now thinking that just because they were a big shot in high school, they have a shot at the NBA and the big money, and if they do not immediately become a starter, they think they will not get the exposure, so they look for a new school.

    It all started when the NBA started regularly drafting high school players. Once that happened, college basketball was doomed. Unless the NBA changes their draft rules, and do not start drafting a player until at least after their junior year, the quality of college basketball will further decay.

    Every school has transfers. Even Duke and North Carolina had transfers last year. Duke lost a player to Villanova I believe, and Tim Floyd got a transfer from NC. So, it happens everywhere; probably more at mid-major programs, or programs with less success like Iowa and Iowa State.

    It has to be really tough to be a college coach these days, until you finally have some success. Just my opinion.


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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUonthemove View Post
    Can we blame AAU programs?

    You're right though, it has definately become a business.
    I think AAU has an impact, but I don't think it's the biggest problem. I have no problem with AAU only for the fact that it gets a lot of kids noticed that might otherwise be buried on bad teams at no-name schools.

    I would say the NBA and the lure of money is biggest. Second, is the fact that getting drafted is more about being athletic than it is about being good at basketball. Players used to develop skills in college, much like baseball players do in the minors. Now, if you're tall, fast, strong and can jump they'll draft you and take their chances.

    Just my opinion...interested to see what others think.



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I honestly have no idea what you mean by this.
    If a player is at the end of the bench...and the coaches are telling him what he needs to improve on to get playing time...do it....get better(improve your game).



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Is the NCAA making it easier to transfer? I think there is more people transferring than ever! usually you didnt see much transfers unless there was a new coach!



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryburn View Post
    I think you can thank the NBA for what is happening to college basketball.

    The NBA was not always the big-salaried sport that it has become now, thanks to the money available from tv, merchandise sales, etc. I'm old enough to remember when quite honestly, the players in the NBA did not make all that much money, not even compared to the other pro sports.

    Believe it or not, I can still remember when student-athletes actually wanted to get a degree so they would have something to fall back on in case a career in professional sports did not work out. But I digress.

    I think the NBA is runining college basketball. All these athletes come in to school now thinking that just because they were a big shot in high school, they have a shot at the NBA and the big money, and if they do not immediately become a starter, they think they will not get the exposure, so they look for a new school.

    It all started when the NBA started regularly drafting high school players. Once that happened, college basketball was doomed. Unless the NBA changes their draft rules, and do not start drafting a player until at least after their junior year, the quality of college basketball will further decay.

    Every school has transfers. Even Duke and North Carolina had transfers last year. Duke lost a player to Villanova I believe, and Floyd got a transfer from NC. So, it happens everywhere; probably more at mid-major programs, or programs with less success like Iowa and Iowa State.

    It has to be really tough to be a college coach these days, until you finally have some success. Just my opinion.
    Why should the NBA give two ***** about the college game? Isn't it up to the colleges to figure out how to make their game "better"?



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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by kg-cyclone View Post
    If a player is at the end of the bench...and the coaches are telling him what he needs to improve on to get playing time...do it....get better(improve your game).
    Yeah. I'm tired of all of these players thinking they are all that and coach is just being a hater as well.

    Unfortunatley there are some coaches that are OK with a players short comings, but ultimatley that hurts the player. Look at Todd Blythe in football.

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    Re: What has happened with college basketball?

    Quote Originally Posted by SchuellerClones View Post
    Is the NCAA making it easier to transfer? I think there is more people transferring than ever! usually you didnt see much transfers unless there was a new coach!
    Pretty sure the rules are the same, it just comes down to kids thinking they are owed something these days. I used to work with high school sports and it is astonishing to see the difference between them and when I was there 12 years earlier. No respect for coaches, teachers or any adult. All their parents are telling them how great they are and how they can do no wrong. College and sitting on the bench comes as a shock to their egos.
    I know I'm generalizing, all kids aren't like that. But the scale has definitely tipped to the negative.
    I also think kids should be allowed to transfer without sitting out if a coach that recruited them quits or takes another job.


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