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    JUCO recruiting

    It seems like for years everyone has said that teams shouldn't go to JUCO's to improve their program because it's going to affect continuity. Van Coleman is saying that right now on the Jon Miller show. Maybe in the past, this was true, but with players leaving after 1 and 2 years anyways, why not go after more JUCO's. I realize ISU doesn't recruit the 1 and done type caliber players, but maybe in some of our best years have resulted from having JUCO's. I'm not necessarily saying ISU should adopt this philosophy, I just think argument not to do it is old and outdated.


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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    In my opinion...

    Van Coleman is a moron that knows a fraction of what he pretends to. He likes to think he's a god in the world of basketball but has nothing to suggest he has above average smarts.


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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    In my opinion...

    Van Coleman is a moron that knows a fraction of what he pretends to. He likes to think he's a god in the world of basketball but has nothing to suggest he has above average smarts.
    I agree 100%. I've posted this before, but will post it again: Van Coleman is way past his expiration date. The guy has not been relevant for over a decade and he's hardly known by anyone outside of the state.



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones34 View Post
    It seems like for years everyone has said that teams shouldn't go to JUCO's to improve their program because it's going to affect continuity. Van Coleman is saying that right now on the Jon Miller show. Maybe in the past, this was true, but with players leaving after 1 and 2 years anyways, why not go after more JUCO's. I realize ISU doesn't recruit the 1 and done type caliber players, but maybe in some of our best years have resulted from having JUCO's. I'm not necessarily saying ISU should adopt this philosophy, I just think argument not to do it is old and outdated.
    1. ISU had most of it's success with JUCO's before the rise of prep schools.

    2. I doubt it's the staff's intent for all of these guys to be leaving after a year or two when they recruited them.



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    The right JUCOs can help to build a program. I have no problem going with JUCOs provided they address an immediate need and they are the right fit. I mean, look back at guys like Tinsley and Vroman.



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    The state of Iowa has some very good JUCO programs



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    I think the Jucos are a sign of Gmac feeling some pressure. His first class needed some jucos because the cupboard was so bare. The next year was all 4 year kids. I really think with his "system" he thought it would be best to get these kids on campus and have them learn over their career. The 2008 class only had 1 Juco, which is understandable, and then all high school kids. But now he sees that this plan isn't working, and he's going after more Juco kids this year. Hopefully it will work.



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    In my opinion...

    Van Coleman is a moron that knows a fraction of what he pretends to. He likes to think he's a god in the world of basketball but has nothing to suggest he has above average smarts.
    People are free to think what they want, but I have been at several AAU events, Nike Camp Events, Future Stars camps, with Van, and I have watched him work, seen how he arrives at his analysis.

    The man works.

    Now, in this day and age of youtube, people get a chance to see more kids play than prior to youtube.

    But there is a reason that major college programs susbcribe to his recruiting service, and have for decades.


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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by JonDMiller View Post
    But there is a reason that major college programs susbcribe to his recruiting service, and have for decades.
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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    I've always been ok with jucos, but does that fall within the category of doing it the right way?



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by CYKOFAN View Post
    I've always been ok with jucos, but does that fall within the category of doing it the right way?
    1-2 Jucos, no problem... When it gets to 3, maybe 4... Then something is up...



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    What great Iowa State teams havent had multiple Jucos on them?



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by cybsball20 View Post
    1-2 Jucos, no problem... When it gets to 3, maybe 4... Then something is up...
    I definitely wouldn't have a problem with 1 more JUCO/transfer, especially if it's a definite Brackins replacement or a well-needed shot in the arm for next season. But 3-4 starts turning into the "building the team on JUCOs".


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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    I definitely wouldn't have a problem with 1 more JUCO/transfer, especially if it's a definite Brackins replacement or a well-needed shot in the arm for next season. But 3-4 starts turning into the "building the team on JUCOs".
    one more Juco will put as at three in this class...



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    Re: JUCO recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by JonDMiller View Post
    People are free to think what they want, but I have been at several AAU events, Nike Camp Events, Future Stars camps, with Van, and I have watched him work, seen how he arrives at his analysis.

    The man works.

    Now, in this day and age of youtube, people get a chance to see more kids play than prior to youtube.

    But there is a reason that major college programs susbcribe to his recruiting service, and have for decades.
    I don't disagree that he works, I'm just saying it's a much different age when people don't need to necessarily do as much "at game" analysis. I would certainly expect every recruit to be seen in person to make an accurate analysis, but I don't think the kind of work he does it as relevant today.

    Just my own personal opinion.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

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