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    E85

    How many on here use E85? I have tried it several times on one of our older vehicles (2002 Dodge Caravan) and the millage is terrible. We average 22 mpg with the 10% blend and less around 17 mpg with the E85. Have they made improvements in newer engines, or is this the norm for all flex fuel cars? With the price being about the same now I will probably not be using any E85 in the future.



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    Re: E85

    That is the problem with ethanol. It does not provide any better milage for the dollar.


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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by ISU_REV View Post
    How many on here use E85? I have tried it several times on one of our older vehicles (2002 Dodge Caravan) and the millage is terrible. We average 22 mpg with the 10% blend and less around 17 mpg with the E85. Have they made improvements in newer engines, or is this the norm for all flex fuel cars? With the price being about the same now I will probably not be using any E85 in the future.
    I always thought it was proven fact that mileage decreases the more alcohol you burn for fuel. I don't think it's the car, gasoline just packs for energy than alcohol does.



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    Re: E85

    I've never used E85, but I thought you had to have special fuel lines & injection system in your vehicle to use it. Maybe that was just to prohibit more corrosion over time though?.... I can't remember off the top of my head.


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    Re: E85

    the cost to millage ratio is about the same for E85 and normal ethanol super unleaded and the car seems to run harder with E85.



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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonecy View Post
    I've never used E85, but I thought you had to have special fuel lines & injection system in your vehicle to use it. Maybe that was just to prohibit more corrosion over time though?.... I can't remember off the top of my head.
    The big thing is the fact that you have to have more fuel, so most of the time you will have to upgrade to bigger injectors. Also, you need to have someone tune your car to run the stuff. Otherwise, you are pretty much wasting your time.

    A lot of people are upgrading to E-85 for the performance benifits. Most of the time, people will see ~30hp gain. Sometimes more.



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    Re: E85

    E85 costs more per mile than E10 or 100% gasoline. Besides that, Ethanol is dead. Some compare it to the Gold Rush of 1849 ... only those that sold pick axes and buckets got rich.

    switch grass and other cellulose based fuel from Biogrowth is the thing and will replace E-Anything. I really feel bad for those that invested in Ethanol plants..as I was this close to jumping on.


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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    Ethanol is dead.
    If not now than hopefully soon. People around here are unfortunately biased in favor of ethanol for obvious reasons. Ethanol is not in anyway legitimate replacement for fossil fuels.


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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewo View Post
    The big thing is the fact that you have to have more fuel, so most of the time you will have to upgrade to bigger injectors. Also, you need to have someone tune your car to run the stuff. Otherwise, you are pretty much wasting your time.

    A lot of people are upgrading to E-85 for the performance benifits. Most of the time, people will see ~30hp gain. Sometimes more.
    Ahh....okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.


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    Re: E85

    At least E85 is a renewable source. If gas gets to $4 or $5 a gallon, then ethanol will make economic sense again. Who believes gas will stay at under $2 per gallon for an extended period of time? I don't.



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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by rbrook View Post
    At least E85 is a renewable source. If gas gets to $4 or $5 a gallon, then ethanol will make economic sense again. Who believes gas will stay at under $2 per gallon for an extended period of time? I don't.
    Tin Hat time.

    I personally think the oil companies propped e85 for a major fall. Lets let lots and LOTS of ppl invest in the processing plants (in our backyard no less) with expensive gas (anything > $2.75 /gallon) giving the earnings statements credibility ... then bring the gas price WAY down to bankrupt the Ethanol plants... costing many the money they invested... making them dislike Ethanol for a long, long time. Or at least investing in its growth.

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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by rbrook View Post
    At least E85 is a renewable source. If gas gets to $4 or $5 a gallon, then ethanol will make economic sense again. Who believes gas will stay at under $2 per gallon for an extended period of time? I don't.
    The thing is if gas gets that high E85 will be almost as high just so the ethanol plants can make a profit. I heard they are losing big time with the current prices.



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    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    Tin Hat time.

    I personally think the oil companies propped e85 for a major fall. Lets let lots and LOTS of ppl invest in the processing plants (in our backyard no less) with expensive gas (anything > $2.75 /gallon) giving the earnings statements credibility ... then bring the gas price WAY down to bankrupt the Ethanol plants... costing many the money they invested... making them dislike Ethanol for a long, long time. Or at least investing in its growth.

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    Re: E85

    Quote Originally Posted by keepngoal View Post
    Ethanol is dead
    Good!

    Now we can actually use that corn for food.



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    Re: E85

    IIRC, even GM admits that E85 mileage in Flex vehicles is about 20% lower, so it makes no sense financially to use E85 unless the price difference is more than 20%.

    I have a 1998 Dodge van that has a flex fuel engire in it. When I bought it, I asked what would need to be done if I wanted to run E85. I was told that, for that engire, about the only change that needed to be made was different oil (E85 burned hotter), all I needed to do was let the garage know when I changed my oil, and they would take care of getting the engine ready to handle it.



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